half, and i think going forward we're going to find out more and more details to the extent of which rudy giuliani is at the center. the point swalwell well is very important. you will remember where you had the president basically saying all these guys were freelancing, i didn't know anything about this. that was reagan's defense. in this case it's impossible for rudy giuliani to freelance on donald trump's behalf. he's not in the government. the only connection he has through this is directly through the one principle in the government that he's serving, and that's donald trump. so that i think puts a lot of onus on rudy giuliani, and also on the connection between the president of the united states and this particular gentleman. >> barbara, eric swalwell was actually echoing a concept advanced in the nixon impeachment that the staff was acting on behalf of the president. so the president was by in effect guilty of all the things that the staff was also accused of. what do you make of the way eric swalwell just phrased it, that