republicans seem to have taken is we really don't need an impeachment power, we've got an election every 4 years. and i thought that noah feldman and pam karlan and mike garhart the reason the framers put in an impeachment power is we might someday have a president who's such a demagogue and so inattentive to the law and the rule of law that it would be dangerous to wait for the next election. that's why we have the impeachment power. and i think this is the time we need to use it. >> i want to take a look at an exchange with congressman -- and jonathan turley in which jonathan turley does not disagree that previous presidents in the impeachment process have been much more cooperative with the process. let's listen to this. >> we know as we count these examples, that president nixon did in fact allow his chief of staff and his chief counsel to testify, and this president has