well, but it's when we try to play a halfway game with warfare that it's wrong, and i think there's a certain immorality to it as well. >> phyllis bennis, one of the things we're gonna be talking about for the next several days, weeks possibly, is this tragedy of people left behind, and for a lot of people who's never seen this before this is gonna be the first time the wrestle with the moral issues involved here, but the idea that this is not what it's going to happen every single time that you have any kind of exit that is shaped like this from a losing war just doesn't comprehend reality. this is what has always happened in these situations. >> that's absolutely true, it doesn't make it any less tragic, and it doesn't mean that there's nothing that could've been done to mitigate it, it doesn't eliminate the problem.