a civil case or in a criminal case in the courtroom. but there is not judge. here so that's what makes this so weird, right? we are absent to certain kind of information, we might have if this had been a court case. >> yes, that is absolutely right. again, it's the lawyer prerogative if he does not feel like he is the best person to represent the client, to suggest respectfully, that the client find another attorney. >> and we know that the committee is not being especially patient about these things, so, we could maybe read into the granting of a brief postponement here of the sense that committee believes that clark is headed towards cooperation with them. , yes and the committee understands that clumps claims about progressive -- no court has ever said that that applies to a former president, and the privilege only applies to official presidential duties which do