million refugees leaving the country. it's a country of 44 million people. is everyone leaving who can leave, or do many more people want to leave, who cannot leave? >> some people want to, leave but they have no means to get to the border. some people can leave, but they stayed behind to protect their country. i know people in both of these situations, and it's nothing -- no surprise that people are different in every country. as far as 44 million is concerned, this is the official and imaginary number. for quite some time, lots of ukrainians were working abroad. some of them have returned after the active phase of war started, but, by our estimates the population has been 38, 39