transparent transparency. i don't see a majority of americans voting for that. >> you know, jen. we have seen over time how the presidency ages men, only because it's only been men up until this point. but how do you see trump's postpresidency legal and financial issues weighing on him? >> i think he is truly exhausted. he's not a disciplineed person. and to have to sit there and listen and we already know he doesn't sleep well. we already know in the oval office he had executive time till about 11:00 in the morning. i think this is a physical as well as a mental and emotional strain on him. and you can tell, he does look tired. he does look diminished. let's face it. even before this trial he was not doing what president biden is doing. president biden was out three days in a row campaigning.