heading back to his reality tv days? >> i think he'll run again because i think there's money to be made. it's like ron paul. i mean, there's no reason to not run because he can make money. he can use it for lawyers' fees. there's a sort of presidential industrial complex which republicans have for a long time run in. so i think i could see that happening. i don't know that he's -- i don't know, we're going have to see what happens in 2024, but if he doesn't run, he will wait until the last minute to drop out. he will make desantis' life horrendous, which will be kind of fun to watch. >> i guess that's the only silver lining, and the fact if he doesn't run, he'll still be a back seat driver in the republican primaries. and in the general elections. we'll have to leave it there, molly, thank you so much for our conversation tonight. i appreciate it. >> emma radacanu, the