so i wonder what the reaction to that in ukraine was, and i mean is that, you know, the intent of maybe dropping the country's bid to join the alliance, what kind of reaction do people on the ground have to that? >> i think it was just the opposite. so one of his, when this country has been under a tremendous amount ofry pressure and when you're under pressure, every statement is parsed and there has never been this much attention focused on ukraine except for when zelensky watt at the center of another massive point of interest with the phone call with donald trump. and that factors into a degree, into the skeptical side, people sawic ukraine manipulated by th united rastates, for political purposes back home, and there is a skeptical community here that believes the u.s. is doing that again. but in terms of what happened with nato, one of the ambassadors, the ukraine's ambassadors said in aba bbc rad