>> so since you say arming the ukrainians, because zelinsky, he is a former actor and comedian, as i'm sure you well know. no shade america elected a reality tv to his first job in government in the united states. he is placing people from his old comedy troupe in very senior positions, not people with a lot of foreign policy experience. by putin basically threatening ukraine, he is kind of making the point that they do actually need nato's protection. i mean, is zelinsky in a position to defend ukraine? >> well, let's say that ukraine is in a far better position to defend itself now that it has been than any other point in recent history. over the past 7 1/2 -- actually closer to eight years, they've made significant improvements. but all that has done is closed the gap somewhat between how far ahead the russians were and started on the margins at least to affect the calculus of what