that believe, i think ukrainians could win this thing. and when i say win, i mean win in the sense that russia will not achieve most if not any of its strategic objectives. i think that they in fact have so much experience that when the russians make inroads, it's because they want russians to make those inroads. in the places like they don't like the city of kharkiv and kyiv. they're not even doing very well. even though they're throwing their -- zelenskyy is the embodiment of that defiant nature. and they are willing to take this country to the end. this is why you see young women taking ak-47 and saying, well i've never fired on before. but i'm going to now. these women were filling bottles of molotov cocktails. they're saying all throw went out my window to an army personnel carrier. you cannot beat this attitude. and granted we may have --