ukrainian troops? what happen it is there is a deployment of a chemical weapon and a radiological or biological chemical cloud drifts into nato territory, is that a violation? is that an attack on a nato territory, and does that trigger a response? to some degree, this is new territory for many of these leaders, because we are now seeing war on the european continent for the first time in 70 years. and these leaders were not in place the last time many of these issues were as front and real and imminent as they are right now. >> how does nato look at those questions? you know, there is now biden and others are talking about doing things like kicking russia out of the g20. fine, it doesn't seem logical, but that doesn't seem like