after one year, part of the thinking in congress is well, congress wouldn't dare let a popular program go. and so instead of something say costing $100 million, it is really a billion dollars if you spread it out over ten years. and that is what senator manchin is getting at, that the true cost of this bill if you fully fund the provisions within the build back better act, that it is what he's saying, quote, upwards of $4.5 trillion. you're there on capitol hill. you follow this day in and day out. do i have that right in terms of the senator's thinking? >> exactly. you have that exactly right. that is something that senator lindsey graham, the ranking member on the budget committee, which senator bernie sanders chairs, you can imagine their conversations on that committee, but that's actually the cbo report that graham asked for, that he commissioned. now, when manchin was asked about this, he was, like, listen, the cbo, the