experience? i think everybody has a preconception of what a prius driver is. like, we all know that image. and i think part of the reason that some people kind of stayed away from electric vehicles or hybrids initially is because they feel weird to drive. you're used to a car going, click, click, hyum, hyum when you crank it up. it just feels strange to drive it. >> there are advantages to battery electric. they have incredible torque and acceleration. they like the touch screen and all this. there are a number of incentives that help you get into a newer electric vehicle. like you were saying, the charging infrastructure is coming along. but to be certain, it takes getting used to. it's a quiet ride. i should point out that biden's including plug-in hybrid electrics that have internal combustion.