those, pressing these issues, has been so incredibly crucial. but frankly what i worry about is that america is operating under two different versions of reality and two different versions of the truth. journalists can do their job. federal employees can do their jobs. and it just might not matter if you have a huge swath of americans who believe this is a massive hoax, reality doesn't matter, and whatever the president says, even though he is clearly a petty authoritarian who will lie to their faces, that is more true and more important than reality. >> also two different versions of morality. it is not democrat versus republican. it is democracy versus th authoritari authoritarianism. do you think it is great to cheat on your wife and not pay your employees, or do you think you should be honest and trustworthy and pay your employees. it is two different versions of values. that's where we are at now.