incarcerated. of course, alex jones is another really interesting character here. somebody who long has had interactions with trump and also was in the crowd, outside the capitol building, on january 6th. one thing the subpoena cover letter specifically says is that jones tried to tell people not to break into the country. but our understanding is that the select committee doesn't see that as at all necessarily exculpatory for him. he was very much involved in riling up these far-right travelers who came to the u.s. in the day before january 6th, who were there at the rally, on the morning before the attack happened. and jones would have really interesting visibility into the connective tissue between rally organizers and the people who actually marched to the capitol building, since he was among those folks who were present outside the building that day. >> betsy, thank you, as always, for making this so clear to us. betsy woodruff swann is a national correspondent for politico. she knows an awful lot about