command's main army forces to come down to the city to the east. they can get to kyiv and the assessment was that they could do it in 72 hours if they dedicate a lot of combat power, but they're not going to take the city. it's the size of chicago and the people here are ready to fight. so russia can get here, but within the first phase line, it will be a tough slog, they will lose a lot of people. >> but they are reported to have as many as 180 or 190,000 troops ready to do this. as matt bradley was saying, it will be land, sea, and air. that's unheard of. i mean, since world war ii we have not seen that massing of troops. the ukrainians may have a military but it can't stand up to that. >> well, it just depends on what the factors are. i've taken part in two invasions with over 150,000 men and women, a lot of people aren't the front