be some interesting reporting. >> hans, one last quick one, of course this all happens under the shadow of a potential government shutdown. what are you hearing as to where things stand. how likely would you put it that d.c. will go dark as of late friday night. >> i always say 35% probability. no one knows. it does seem like it could be an unforced era to not get some sort of funding across the bill. but the big debt ceiling vote that has to come some time in october. it's hydraulics of how democrats getting it done in terms of funding. how you get the debt ceiling deal, if there is a deal, it's a big issue. my probability meter is feeling risky this morning. >> hans nichols, thank you so much. there is about 35% chance we'll have you back.