about this thing called inherent contempt. i'm doubtful that will be used. that's where the committee and the house would call on the sergeant at arms to imprison somebody for either not showing up to answer questions or raising documents. that doesn't seem likely. so the third option is just pursuing it as a civil case and we've seen that before. it's my expectation based on what we've heard congresswoman liz cheney saying last night, it's held to the desire of holding people like bannon accountable. i would expect they will actually make that referral, if he does not begin to cooperate. >> turning more to your wheelhouse, the senior doj official john carling announced new measures to combat white collar crime. what can you tell us about that? >> yeah, it's an interesting