could be viewed out in the social media, which is very unusual until recent years that that was even a possibility. so, that also creates the situation where a hostage taker has the ability to get their voice out or broadcast into social media and into the public through their own means. it's a new -- unique dynamic, i think, that is unfolding, particularly during the time of covid. >> that is such a good point. do you think -- do you feel as if these type of live-stream moments inspire people that want to do harm? >> yeah. my biggest concern with anything in the u.s. extremism space has always been that when one person does a hostage situation like this or a terrorist attack inside the united states, it kicks off a contagion where you see other people that were possibly considering some sort of extremism or violent attack to undertake a similar attack or plot on their own that they had already been thinking about. and it's known as stochastic terrorism, which is whenever you have one or more of these