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MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes December 29, 2019

Meeting. And with just over a month so this is a longterm sort of until iowa, my special guest effect that hes had because its been thing after thing after thing thats taken us to tonight, 2020 candidate andrew the point where i think, you yang when all in starts right know, for the first time, we could see the military voter and veteran voter turn against the republican president. Last question for you has to do with the implications of what the president has done in this case and a few other cases. Now. We have shocking new footage. Reaching in to the military its previously unused footage justice system. What that will mean for someone obtained by the New York Times of navy s. E. A. L. S describing actions by the man of the name that sees something that is Eddie Gallagher. Hes the figure at the center of wrong or witnesses an atrocity an enormous moral scandal in the trump administration. Perhaps one of the worse. Over the summer a military court and whats going to go through acquitted him of most of the war their mind . Crimes charges he was charged with but he was found guilty of there was a case in 2017 posing for a picture with a where a seal was involved in a mans corpse and that resulted in him being demoeted. Murder of a green beret. The process this has to do with the telling of stripping his seal status but of misconduct. Then donald trump intervened. People fear now hey if i break restoring his rank, ordering the this code what are the navy to keep him in the seals. Ramifications. Across the military as well. Now its worth noting that so i think now when people see donald trump campaigned on a misconduct that should be pro war crime platform in 2016. Reported that they know that thats their duty and obligation, theres going to be a fear Going Forward on whether or not they should report it at all. One thing is for certain, to the would i approve war boarding . S. E. A. L. S. That we met today on you bet your ass id approve it. That video, they are heros and in a heart beat. They can rest assured that the in a heart beat. American public knows that and and i would approve more than that the American Public in 10, that. 20, or 30 years will look at and dont kid yourself folks. Them in a better light then than it works. They do today. He took 50 bullets and he thank you for making time tonight. Thanks a lot, chris. Up next, the president once again moving the goal post as his impeachment trial dipped them in pigs blood and he approaches. That in two minutes. Impeachment approaches that in two minutes. [ suspenseful music ] had his men load his rifles and he lined up the 50 people and they shot 49 of those people and the 50th person he said you go back to your people and tell them what happened. And for 25 years there wasnt a problem. I said its fine and if we want to go stronger id go stronger too. You have a brother in the second battalion . Its no surprise that eddie yes sir. Theyre walking into a trap. Gallagher would be a celeb for your orders are to deliver a message donald trump and his supporters. Calling off tomorrows attack. He told allies he wants to bring if you fail we will lose sixteen hundred men. Him on the campaign trail with your brother among them. Him for 2020. Get this, just this past week the president and first lady we need to keep moving. Come on hosted gallagher and his wife at theres only one way this war ends. Mara last man standing. Maralargo. A retired special operations chief of seal team 7. The guy you saw posing with the president and his son and personal lawyer. He was accused of very, very serious war crimes in iraq in 2017. He was accused of the attempted murder of unarmed civilians including an old man and schoolgirl. He was accused of stabbing an isis capital multiple times and convicted of posing for a picture with that deadmans corpse. He denies all the charges. Today New York Times published a tro trove of interviews. Statements made from the fellow s. E. A. L. Team members to investigators speaking out about what they saw. The guy is eagle. The guy was toxic. You could tell he was okay with killing anybody that was moving. They also found video recordings when he approached an isis captive he was accused of stabbing. Warning, the first image may be disturbing. Gallagher comes on the scene with his medic bag and pushes the kid down on the ground while he checks him for wounds and right then you can see a hand reach up and turn off the helmet cam. What did see gallagher do . President trump and his all of a sudden he starts allies in the making series of stabbing the dude. I see him laying over him selfcontradictory internally with the knife sticking it into inconsistent constantly evolving his neck. Did he say anything when he did this or literally just pulled out a knife and just started stabbing him . Process. Pulled out a knife and started stabbing him. How close do you think you tweeting out a critique. Were . Me, body, gallagher. Look the house is supposed to do one time, multiple times . All of this work before they it was probably two or three send the articles over to the senate. That work is supposed to be done in the house. Heres the thing. The house tried to do that. Times. The reason they were not able to the New York Times reached out get those witnesses to testify to all of them and they declined is because they tried to and the comments. He said they were ripe with inconsistencies and falsehoods witness and white house ordered and they created a clear road them not to testify. Because we stopped them from map to the acquittal. His lawyer said the new york testifying in the house they times failed to give context to cant testify in the senate. That was the houses job. The video. Thats just absurd on its face. That they had inconsistent stories. The seal team members didnt joining me to make sense of this all of this is senator richard like him because he was too hard on them. Bloomenthal from connecticut. There was a lack of corrobora i think you agree these process corroborating evidence. One of the reasons he was acquitted of murder had to do with a remarkable moment during critiques are absurd but im his trial where the prosecutions curious what you make of star witness, special operator comments yesterday or on tuesday first glass corey scott, a medic by your colleague expressing that said he saw him stab him some disapproval of mcconnells multiple times changed his story statement that he would on the stand. Essentially be working in he said that gallagher stabbed coordination with the white the captive once and he killed house. I think, chris, what those him by suffocation. Comments reflect is that it is no one was prepared for that. It was a shock to everyone in impossible to make sense of this the room. At least for the prosecutors and position that they need more because that witness was testifying under an immunity information and evidence but they dont want it to be that was granted he could not be presented in the senate. Charged for the killing and Eddie Gallagher was acquitted of that position is essentiallyteb. The attempted murder of civilians what is striking and what lisas but was convicted of posing for comments reflect is that the the corpse of the dead captive. We dont know the story of what message is really breaking through to the American People. Lead this medic to change his tune on the stand and admit to thats why 70 of them think killing the captive but we do that witnesses and documents know that after the trial the should be presented in this pentagon basically wanted to kick Eddie Gallagher out of the trial. S. E. A. L. S. And President Trump intervened and ordered them to thats why this strategy of reinevacuate his ra coordinating with the white re house or working hand in glove reinstate his rank and that lead to the public resignation of the is a violation of the oath and thats repugnant to the american secretary of the navy that quit. People. So more and more i think well and trump thinks his embrace of see the American People get it Eddie Gallagher is a way to and that this cover up by mcconnell and trump is ingrace himself with active understood by them. Members of the military and that my republican colleagues their families. Recent polling shows half of active duty troops view the are come police splicit in it. President unfavorably. Joining me now is the deputy theyll be held accountable in editor of the military times the court of Public Opinion in which has been covering this the election and by history. Story along with many other issues and andrew that covers do you anticipate that well the military for the san diego get resolution . Theres reports today that tribune. Whatever talks there had been he was in the courtroom for the full duration of the trial. Between schumer and mcconnell on the ground rules which were let me just start with you maybe adopted by unanimous consent. About that moment i mean, so much happens in the moment in which the star witness of the that they had broken down. Prosecution comes in and changes his story on the stand. What was that moment like in the the ball is in mitch courtroom . Well, it was really surreal. Mcconnells court. We made a very reasonable proposal for witnesses that had going into the trial we had a direct knowledge, again, direct good idea of what each witness knowledge and not hearsay of the was going to say. Events that show conclusively we kind of knew their stories. Tru trumps abuse of power and obstruction of congress and and he suffocated the fighter. Documents such as notes of phone calls and emails and other that was something new. Messages that are direct it was over the courtroom in a evidence that the American People deserve to see and hear. Wave. So i fully understand the i almost the to replay it in my speakers position that she wants a full, fair proceeding mind. Ill come to you in a second. Before she will send over the do we know the full story of articles of impeachment. What happened there. She wants that assurance before why did the testimony change . She appoints her managers and thats what the American People i talk to his lawyer yesterday and he said that in a want to and i think that Mitch Mcconnell will be forced by preliminary interview with corey these cracks in his reflected in scott, he had gone up to the edge and he said something about comments and by other colleagues a suffocation and scotts that are saying it privately. The question is will they say it attorney cut him off saying that publicly . They werent going to go any will they act on it. I want to ask you a question further without clarifying an about the story that we just did with chief gallagher and the immunity deal. President of the United States in the trial before this section reaching in to restore his raeng of testimony the judge told him to overturn and circumvent the he was immune from what he was military justice system. What are the implications of about to say on the stand. That . What do you think that does to this case attracted enormous attention. I wonder from your perspective how it is through current active our armed forces. Duty members. Theyre really deeply disturbing. These are absolutely repugnant and will be regarded by our military because in no way does it reflect their integrity, obviously the president has the power to pardon or grant discipline, or values. Clemency but chief gallagher was acquitted of the most serious charges and was found to be guilty of conduct unbecoming and the navy thought they were dealing with it internally and the president stepped in and said no, we should forget that. We should look beside that. Hes done 8 deployments. And i hope my colleagues will theres a lot of good in his join me in condemning that background so im going to intervene not just on the issue interference by the president of the crime here but all the and also in reaffirming our way down to the issue of his rank, whether or not he would be commitment to strict prosecution reinstated as a s. E. A. L. , of war crimes and respect as well for the military whether or not he could call himself a chief anymore. Professionals who have to so, you know, the revuerberatios administer this system of justice and for our military in are a lot of shock as to the general. Commander in chief coming down all too often as that poll that this far on a case thats already really complicated and you cited reflects our military really has been disregarded and convoluted. How is the picture painted of disrespected by the president as gallagher in the newly unearthed when he with drew troops from footage from the New York Times, turkey. When he sent troops to the border, in effect politicizing how does that fit or not fit with the image painted of him at our great United States military and the implications therefore trial. Are really, very, very it does square with their testimony. In most cases these s. E. A. L. S disturbing. Senator Richard Blumenthal of connecticut. Thank you. Thank you. The president s rational for testified to the same thing they putting the g7 at his own told investigators. Two of these that were in these resort debunkend in black and preliminary interviews were not white. Thats next. Debunkend in black white. Thats next. Called to testify at gallaghers Court Marshall including one who wow. Thanks, zoltar. How can i ever repay you . Initially told investigators he maybe you could free zoltar . Saw gallagher stab the fighter. After scotts testimony, for whatever reason the prosecutors thanks, lady. Taxi decided not to call him and only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Neither the prosecutors of the are you currently using a whitening toothpaste, navy offered any explanation of but not seeing results . Why a witness to this alleged try crest 3d whitestrips. Stabbing did not testify. Its enamelsafe formula lifts and removes stains qstion here leo and i think the to provide 100 noticeably whiter teeth or your money back. Difficulty of this from a moral perspective is the president says hes looking out for our try crest 3d whitestrips. War fighters but of course there were members of his own unit that were so distressed by the actions that they took tremendous risk to come forward to testify, to talk to investigators and they have essentially been thrown by the wayside. Thats the question here. He has thrown himself in gallaghers corner and said hes standing up for war fighters by standing with him but as we saw from the release today a lot of the public heard some of the s. E. A. L. S didnt like him. I dont know what the effect will be of seeing in black and white here just how emotional some of their testimony is and how many folks are sort of left in the wake of this. Now, you know, if youre a member of the military and youre seeing this and you see something improper down range, what is your reaction going to be . Should you report this to your higher ups . Is it something that you feel confident that the military code of justice is going to be upheld and followed or is it something where down the line maybe it can be reversed and you get into trouble for being a whistleblower. Thats a great point about what has been set up with by this one action. Thank you both. Thank you. Joining me now is the former u. S. Army officer and iraq war veteran. The cofounder and former chairman of the vote vets advocacy group. I know that you feel strongly about this case. How do you feel about what has happened . What we learned from the testimony and what the president s involvement here means . When you watch the veterans talk, you can feel the pain in their voices. We can talk about what this means for the United States and foreign countries. We could talk about what this means for our troops currently on the group in combat. We can talk about what this means for future troops that have seen something wrong but the pain that you hear in the voices of the s. E. A. L. S as they go to explain whats happened to them is heartbreaking. What i felt is that they were trying to relieve some of their own guilt of being around an incident or a chief who was their senior noncommissioned officer in this deployment do things illegal and this was a cry for help for them to go to ncis and its hard for me to watch them deal with that pain. Theres also a broader question here about the way the president conceived of what u. S. Policy should be. He talked about killing the family members of terrorists. He seems to relish in the kinds of things that an entire structure has been erected within the arms forces over decades to prevent from happening. He is basically telling the navy, i dont trust you to manage your own business. Tried to convince everyone that the president was just we have never seen a scenario forced to award himself a where the military justice multimillion dollar government contract to host the g7 and system basically is check mated by the commander in chief. Have a bunch of World Leaders to you can do anything wrong right come to south florida in the middle of the summer. Now in any of the Service Branches and if you can get a fox news host to promote you on a show that the president watches that he can undermine the entire military chain of we have people that understand command. What its about. He has damaged military leaders its not about me. Its about getting the right location. The folks for the citizens of responsibility and ethics in washington requested it and youll never guess whether that story holds up. Here with me now, the executive just like through the institution. Director. What did you ask for and what thats really heartbreaking for everybody thats in the military did you get . Thats sit. We asked for what the secret service had. The documents that showed their internal deliberations when they were considering sites. And low and behold what we found was far from what Nick Mulvaney and the president reported was that out of the secret Services Process he was the clear choice and instead, he was added into the process very late in the game. And the secret service had concerns about it. It certainly was not that they came in and begged for this. This was something that we only got really one email and we know theres likely more out there but this was enough to show clearly that the president s version was made up and this is something that benefits his businesses and him personally. One of t

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