Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20171012

MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews October 12, 2017

Back in july when his advisers suggested that he recertify the iran nuclear deal. One person familiar with that meeting told the post he threw a fit, really furious. Today President Trump lashed out about puerto rico tweeting electric was a disaster before the hurricanes. We cannot keep fema, the First Responders in puerto rico forever. Hes talking about going after Television Networks now who report stories that he doesnt luke. He tweeted today the fake news is going all out. Such hatred. He continued his culture crew said against nfl players to take a knee during the national anthem. Lets watch. So i watched Colin Kaepernick and i thought it was terrible. And then it got bigger and bigger started mushrooming. You cannot disrespect our country, our flag, our anthem. You cannot do that. Also in that interview he attacked what he called grand standing republicans as well as the democrats in congress. The one thing with the democrats, they Stay Together like glue. Theyre lousy politicians and their policies are terrible but they do stick together. Well he started a war of tweets with senator bob corker of course, the chairman of the Foreign Relations committee labelling him little bob corker. Theres a pattern of the wild behavior after the secretary of state called him a mosh ron, trump said they should compare iq tests. And vanity fair reported yesterday that the president recently told an ally i hate everyone in the white house. There are a few exceptions but i hate them. There have been multiple reports this week about the president s deteriorating mood. The Washington Post spoke to one trump confident who compared the president to a whistling teapot and according to that person, quote, i think were in pressure corker territory. Vanity fair spoke to several people around the president who described him as unstable and unraveling. And the l. A. Times said he was engaged or has engaged in shouting matches with his chief of staff john kelly. Today there was a surprise guest at the White House Briefing, general john kelly who rejected the reports today that he was going anywhere. Lets watch him. Although i read it all of the time, pretty consistently, im not quitting today. I dont believe and i just talked to the president. I dont think im being fired today. And i am not so frustrated in this job that im thinking of leaving. I would tell you, this is the hardest job ive ever had. This is in my view the most important ive ever had. Im joined right now by gabe sherman, ruth marcus and former Republican National Committee Chair michael stale. Gabe, give us a sense of how this whole mushrooming of rage seems to be getting together, coming together. Yeah. Well, chris, you know, this is a president who is completely isolated, cut off from his friends, the donor and if new york confidents that hes used to speaking with going back decades with his time at trump tower. And the consequence of that is he is lashing out. Advisers, i think youre seeing the leaks represent this. People are troubled by his mental decline and unstable behavior and weve seen tremendous leaks, especially to nbc news about the a idea that he wanted to increase the nuclear stoke piles tenfold and then the leaks i received this week from his inner circle that talked about his mental decline. So i think this is really an Inflection Point and what bob corker said publicly brought into the forewhat republicans in washington have been talking about privately. And i think really freed up some sources to Start Talking about what is going on inside this white house. Well, ruth, its october now and some of the reporting from us comes from july when the Pressure Cooker mentality was already at work. Is this modulating. It is growing in pressure . Is the guy getting loopy or what or is it occasionally he does things that show a really bad temper. Weve had president s with temper before. Eisenhower had a bad one. Bill clinton could turn red and yell at you at a moments notice if you were a white house staffer. But he also got things accomplished and knew the policy and Everything Else. I think that this is episodic on trumps part. He goes up and down. But there is a ramping up because look, his first year is coming to a close. What does he have to show for it . A Supreme Court justice that senator mcconnell, now one of his arch enemies helped pave the way for and thats about it. As the pressure is on, the Pressure Cooker starts to heat up. Lets look at the worlds the president lives in. He has to deal with congress, no confidence and love for congress. Theyre a joke, especially the republicans. He has to deal with the media. He hates the media. Hates his white house staff. Is there any world in which hes confide comfortable. That hes not hating anybody . He likes playing golf. Those worlds are foreign to him. The reality is the world that trump created over the last 35plus years where wes the center where you dont have to pay your bills and you can fire people. You can do whatever you want. Who wouldnt like that world. Theres no back talk. You create that world. And the media thats scared to death of you. The Business Media has to operate on the willingness of the subject to give you an interview. New york Business Media is not the Washington Press corps, not the the new york times, not those folks who have been covering a white house for 15, 20 years. And they dont, they dont just sort of kowtow to this notion that the president is unhappy with you. Okay. So. Could you answer the question, please . And thats not something hes used to. Apparently not. General kelly was asked about the president s frustrations. Heres what he said. Lets watch. It is astounding to me how much is misreported. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are operating off of contacts, leaks whatever you call them, but i would just offer to you the advice, i would say, you know, maybe develop some better sources. The congress has been frustrating to him. Our government is designed to be slow. And it is. His sense, i think as a man who is outside of the washington arena, a businessman, much more of a man of action, his great i would say his great frustration is the process that he now finds himself. Gabe, lets cut through the pr here. The only reason were hearing from the chief of staff is because of the rumors that hes going to quit. So he has the come out and play defense. Weve had youve had the president come out the other day like fray do in the god father say im smart. These are defensive Public Relations moves. We wouldnt know anything if they werent scared open felt like they needed to defend themselves. On the way to the studio i talked to a person who was close to the president who said of course he sent john kelly out there to shoot down the rumors that the president was lived over the vanity fair piece. So what i think were seeing this week, and its thursday and well see it through friday, is an effort of damage control to try to change the narrative. But the facts are the facts. And we see his twitter feed and hes lashing out at puerto rico in the middle of a humanitarian crisis. This is not a president that is projecting somebody who is confidently and providing confident and steady leadership. We had no drama obama. A president who is known for his sinatra like cool. Could drive us crazy because he could be aloof. But very calm. He would have beer summits. This president , i do belief likes it. I believe he likes it shaken up. I think he thinks as long as its 52 card pick up and all of the cards are in the air and nobody knows what anybody else is doing, hes got an advantage. Theres commotion, headlines of collusion and grief and anger and friction, he likes it. He doesnt like calm. Because calm is something he could establish in an hour. He could simply stop tweeting, stop attacking the groups and live with them. He doesnt want to live with people, it seems to me. He likes it. He kind of likes it. He tweets at 6 30 in the morning to get it going. He like to shake things up and keep people off kilter. But he doesnt actually strike me as somebody who is having a lot of fun right now. Fair enough. Despite the 73 he shot in golf the other day. Did he really . Is that a bill clinton 73 . Come on. Whos keeping score. President trump has been particularly agitated with the media these past few days after nbcs report that he wanted to increase the Nuclear Arsenal by tenfold. Heres some of what the president has said. Lets watch him. Its frankly disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write and people should look into it. Theyre dishonest people. Very dishonest people. Its fake media. So much fake news and we have to agree do you agree with that, fake news . Interlocutory there, sean hannity. Its like one of these infomercials. How is it going. Any way, ben sass, a republican from nebraska responded, mr. President , words spoken by the president of the United States matter. Are you recanting of the oath you took on january 250th to preserve, protect and defend the First Amendment . Michael, theres a true conservative from nebraska, not a wild and crazy guy by any chance saying this president better start paying attention to his oath. And there are more voices in the house and senate and around the country that need to come up to that standard. Its one thing to say when youre on your way out the door. Its something very different when you know youre going to be there next year and the year after that. Ben sass and others are finding that space to carve out. Heres the reality for the gop. This president has redefined the party in such a way that it is probably running into that severe where sphere where its going to be unelectable in a lot of states where its critical to holding both cham hberchambers. If any value or principle theyre espoused or hold on to matters. This president is agnostic to all of that. The fact that bannon is out there saying we will take you out tells you that the president has moth monitors on that and this is a direction of the party thats going to be dangerous. It sounds like the president is media shopping. Hes got steve ducey in the morning, sean at night. Fair enough. He doesnt really use rush limbaugh. So he basically says theres two people. Remember the rabbi in the nixon days, nixon had one last friend. It was rabbi. Hes got sean. And it seems to work. Ruth and gabe, it gets enough information out through tweeting and those two people to reach in the morning, he tweets and he dus steve ducey in the morning, the fox and friends and then sean at night for a bigger audience. Combining that with his tweeting hes reaching business 30some percent. Hes doing what he wants to do. Feeding his army with the words of his message. Hes communicating with them and i also think its therapeutic for him. As is the twitter. It helps him let off steam. Hes in a safe place in a safe space with fox and friends. And it makes him feel better. One of the things that was striking as i was listening to general kelly is the number of times he used the word frusation. Hes not so frustrated that hes leaving. He seems pretty cool. But the president s frustrations were evident from his behavior but theyre also evident from his chief of staff. Thank you. Coming up, the russia investigation. President trumps lawyers may offer him up for an interview under oath apparently with special counsel mueller as an attempt to speed up the investigation but it comes to big time risk to a president who has a shaky relationship with the truth. He could purger himself. And it comes as john mccain is asking why the Trump Administration hasnt acted against russia. And were going to get to the footsie that the president is playing with the russians. Plus, former white house chief of staff leon panetta is coming here to talk about iran and the chaos were watching inside the trump white house. From his executive order sabotaging the Affordable Care act, expected announcement to decertify the ie rain deal, President Trump continue to do the only things he knows how to do, destroy the legacy brick and mortar of his predecessor brick and mortar. Finally, let me finish what happened in the first of this month in las vegas and how nothing has happened since to deal with the gun issue. This is hardball where the action is. And i was wondering if your brokerage offers some sort of guarantee . Guarantee . Where we can get our fees and commissions back if were not happy. So can you offer me what schwab is offering . Whats with all the questions . Ask your broker if theyre offering 4. 95 online equity trades and a satisfaction guarantee. If you dont like their answer, ask again at schwab. When food is good and clean and real, its ok to crave. And with panera catering, theres more to go around. Panera. Food as it should be. Welcome back to hardball. Its our been barely a week since the deadly massacre in las vegas and its clear that congress isnt going to do anything about it. Even though a Bipartisan Group of representatives introduced a bill to ban bump stocks, the device that the las vegas shooter used to fire his gun at the speed of an automatic weapon, speaker ryan said this should be a regulatory fiction, not a legislative one. Lets watch him. Were trying to assess why the atf let this go through in the first place. The regulatory fix is the smart ers quickest fix and i would like to know how it happened in the first place. This is after the National Rifle administration said that they should immediately review whether these devices comply with the law. The fda approved the first bump stock seven years ago and said that they dont have the authority to restrict their unlawful use or transfer because the bump stock itself is not a firearm. Im joined now by Connecticut Governor malloy. This is so predictable. The house of representatives is not going to do thnothing about the device that allowed that guy to kill 58 people last week. The speaker doesnt want to have a vote. Hes fearful that if there was a vote people would go on record saying that we should outlaw these devices and hes afraid that would be used against some of his members by wilder and perhaps more crazier gun folks. And so he doesnt want to have his members in that situation. But his solution is not a legal one. Clearly atf made a ruling based on the fact that the instrument itself was not illegal and nor did it permanently change the firearm, which was the standard that was applied. So he know what is the outcome would be. Yeah. He knows if it comes to Congress People will be embarrassed by the vote and he cant go back and have an honest conversation with the nra and simply say hey, nra, youre wrong on this, why dont you join us, why dont we appear to be reasonable, lets get something done to get the monkey off of back and make america safer. But hes too fearful to do it because he know what is the nra will say. If you do that, we will thank your money away. Do you get a sense theyre just passing the buck around here. Saying lets go to atf, theyll do it. We know they wont do it so well ask them to do it. That will give us a couple of days. When the atf says were not going to do it, the heat will be off. Isnt that what theyre up to, waiting for the heat to get off . They are, chris. You and i have talked about guns now for five years, ever since we had our own incident almost five years ago at sandy hook school. What i said to you then and ill say it again, this is going to happen in your neighborhood. This is happening time and time again. We dont go days without Mass Shootings in america. This one is a particularly terrible one because not only were 58 People Killed but 500 injured. But you dont think mad men are going to be inspired by this . You dont think mad men are going to say how do we be do better than that . We should stop the sale of these instruments. We should spleed wiplead with p turn them. In. Connecticut weve had four years of the most rapid decline of violent crime. Thats what you get when you pass smart laws on a bipartisan bas basis. Come on nra, republicans in congress and the senate, lets get this done, make america safer. Well said. Thank you, governor. Up next, new reporting that trumps lawyers may offer mr. Mueller, bob mueller, a meeting with the president. Trumps legal team serious . Are they . Would they go through with Something Like this allowing the president to tef under oath . I dont think so. But theyre bluffing, i think. This is hardball where the action is. Discover card. Hey. What can you tell me about your new Social Security alerts . Oh well alert you if we find your Social Security number on any one of thousands of risky sites, so youll be in the know. Ooh. Sushi. Ugh. Being in the know is a good thing. Sign up online for free. Discover Social Security alerts. Throughout history, the one meal when we come together, break bread, share our day and connect as a family. [ bloop, clicking ] and connect, as a family. Just, uh one second voice guy. [ bloop ] huh . Hey . I paused it. Bam, family time. So how is everyone . Find your awesome with xfinity xfi and change the way you wifi. Welcome back to hardball. While President Trump continue to politicize the investigation into russian meddling, there are new signs out there that the president is still going easy on russia. Senator john mccain slammed the administration for not implementing sanctions on russian sha by the october 1 deadline. The delay calls into question the Trump Administrations commitment to the sanctions bill which was signed into law more than two months ago. It comes as the president said again last night the topic of russia is a democratic excuse for losing the el

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