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MSNBCW Kasie DC December 10, 2018

Comey is set to speak with nicolle wallace. His first interview since testifying behind closed doors in the house. Well bring you the latest from them as soon as that conversation begins. But first, a simple question, is the president prepared for what is coming . The Southern District of new york filing on Michael Cohen alone contains 23 references to individual 1. That, of course, President Trump. Roger stone tells the New York Times it has finally dawned on the president that the inquiry is not going away. His lawyers promises notwithstanding. He has finally figured out this is about him. The president has posted to twitter time and again saying the filings, quote, totally clear him and much more in the outside legal team says a counterreport is being prepared. But the Washington Post cites one friend of the president who says trump is angry, but hes not really worried. Others say the white house is, quote, stuck in a bunker mentality and largely resigned to a plan to wing it. One former white house official telling the paper a war room. Are you serious . Theyve never had one. Well never have one. They dont know how to have one. With that, id like to welcome in my panel. With me on set, business and politics reporter for the wall street journal, shelby holliday. Editor of commentary magazine, john podhoritz and Investigative Reporter anna scheckter. Also with us from tucson, arizona, Msnbc National Security analyst frank figliuzzi. And washington Senior Adviser for moveon. Org, karine jeanpierre. Thank you for being here. Does trump, does this white house know what it is in store for . Lets just put that on the table first. What it potentially is in store for here. These explosive Court Filings on friday that seem to have really sort of stirred the pot when it comes to this question of investigations. Two sort of different fronts here. One involving Michael Cohen, the campaign, hush money, women who could have come forward about donald trump. Another potentially involving manafort, trump, russia. Those questions. Let me start on the first question of Michael Cohen and the campaign. What is it that we learned friday . Whats the potential exposure for the president . The Southern District of new york came out with, i actually think, more damning Court Documents on friday than even muellers documents because they went into detail about these two hush money payments to the two women at the direction of trump. So cohen made those payments at the direction of trump but then theres another concurrent investigation led by mueller looking at russia and the russian real estate deal that cohen was pursuing well into 2016, into june 2016. And cohen lied about that to congress. He told them that deal had been wrapped up and closed up much earlier. So what mueller and the Southern District, they both have been doing is painting this picture, setting the scene for the multiple lies that Michael Cohen, a very, very close ally, formerly, to President Trump was telling over the course of a long period of time. And in fact, cohen was lying about the moscow project until september of this year. It was only in september that he came clean about the extent to which they wanted to pursue this russia deal. So there was a ton of news that came out of the court papers on friday. Frank, let me ask you about the russia piece of it because this idea of what Michael Cohen is now saying and this idea of trump, the folks around trump pursuing a deal, a business deal in russia well into the 2016 campaign counter against what cohen had previously told congress. How does that intersect . Does it intersect with this question of potential collusion with the russian government. Of russian government interference in a president ial campaign. Has that link been made through any of what weve seen in the last few days . Absolutely. If you look at the filing by mueller and read between the lines because there is a bit of vagueness here and its deliberate vagueness but clearly what mueller is pointing us to is that cohen cooperated on the core issue of muellers inquiry. Thats muellers language. The core part of his inquiry. What is that . Its russian collusion. And what do we read in the filing . We see that cohen is talking about overtures from russia as early as 2015. Understand that mueller would never have included that point if it was merely an overture. But rather, its a connection that mueller has corroborated through cohen that the russians did more than just an overture. There was likely a response. Then we see other connections and references where cohen is briefing family members of trump on the moscow tower project. So mueller is squarely in the russian collusion business right now. And i think the white house needs to buckle up because theyre in for a wild ride on this issue. Let me take it to the rest of the table here. Are there republicans, are there trump defenders, folks in trumps camp who are looking at what happened friday and looking at this situation differently as a result of it . I think, without question, i dont know that we know exactly who they are. Marco rubio, the senator from florida. I wouldnt say hes a trump intimate but has largely, you know, stopped criticizing trump. Was clearly hinting at the possibility that he was very disturbed by this. I think theres it is important to note that the one way in which people may be getting ahead of themselves was reflected by senator rand paul this morning on meet the press. As far as i know, he said its not illegal to try to have business relations with russians. And this will be the Trump Defense. That is cohen can talk to anybody. His family can talk to anybody. The question only goes to whether or not Vladimir Putin and the russian government and russian intelligence had some sway over him, had some compromat on him that that relationship turned into something that was potentially a conspiracy or Something Like that. There was no evidence of that in what happened on friday. Theres other really bad stuff, but that collusion conspiracy thing is not indicated in what we saw. All we saw was the extent to which they were trying the Trump Organization was trying to play footsy with russia which meant deal with the russian government, and thats it. Like, you know, until they can establish that the government was involved and that there was some kind of quid pro quo, the Stormy Daniels cohen stuff seems to be much more damaging than the russia stuff. On that front, in the Southern District of new yorks filing, his offenses strike at several pillars of our society and system of government. The payment of taxes, transparent in Fair Elections and truthfulness before government and in business. This section refers to Michael Cohen, but at times it feels like maybe it was speaking beyond the president s former lawyer. Andrew mccarthy writes for fox news about why trump is likely to be indicted, he says, by the manhattan u. S. Attorney. He says the sentencing memo in cohens case reads like an ode to Campaign Finance laws and argues in the four corners of this case, these words apply to cohen, but President Trump cannot feel too comfortable upon reading them. Here is the incoming chairman of the house intelligence committee, congressman adam schiff this morning. Theres a very real prospect that on the day donald trump leaves office, the Justice Department may indict him. That he may be the first president in quite some time to face the real prospect of jail time. All the arguments they make about Michael Cohen, the idea that people are out walking precincts and doing what they should do in campaigns, the rich and powerful seem to live by a different set of rules. This was the argument for putting Michael Cohen in jail on these campaign violations. That argument was equally made with respect to individual one, the president of the United States. And shelby, you also had jerry nadler, the democratic chairman of the Judiciary Committee which would oversee any impeachment inquiry, if it were to come to that, also seeming to suggest today that what came out with Michael Cohen in connection to the campaign, in connection to these payments, in connection to the idea that, hey, did donald trump authorize the intentional breaking of Campaign Finance laws that that could be impeachable an Impeachable Offense, do you agree this is the more immediate political danger right now for this white house . Its really hard to know actually. I think it is a twofront war right now the white house is facing. But what we saw on friday largely corroborated a lot of the reporting my colleagues at the journal have done which is that donald trump played a central role in not just making the payments but organizing them and plotting them ahead of time in his meet with the National Enquirer boss and talking to cohen and setting the page for these payments. I think its also really telling that in these Court Filings, prosecutors seem to hint that they have evidence that President Trump played a role in the payments and that the payments were made to influence the election. Right now you have giuliani and other republicans saying, look at john edwards. Its not a crime to pay off a mistress. This could be done for reasons unrelated to politics but prosecutors wouldnt put that in the document, legal experts say if they didnt have some evidence to corroborate it. So i think that with both the mueller filing and the sdny filing, this is a public facing document. There is an audience here. The audience could be President Trump. Could be his legal team. Its also the public. They putting this down as the marker for what we should all know. You should read these documents knowing they are meant to be read by the public and also the president and his team. Thats important because the point here is not just that these payments were made but that trump lied about all of this, right . He said we have no dealings with russia. I had no idea about the payments had nothing to do whatsoever with Stormy Daniels, right . So his Situational Awareness is someone comes at him, he says i didnt do it and then corrects the record later. Now we have a situation in which we have cascading lies that are being challenged by official authorities that work for him. That the sdny is part of the Justice Department. So is mueller. They work for him. And the question then is, will the public say, ah, its nothing. We knew that he was bad from access hollywood and he was made president anyway. Or does this just degrade and corrode, you know, even his most substantial support . Thats what im wondering about here. And karine, let me take this question to you. Lets take the cohen Campaign Finance piece of this. Moveon. Org, the foundation of moveon as an organization was 20 years ago when the president of the United States at that time, bill clinton, was accused of committing a felony. Of lying under oath, committing perjury to cover up a politically damaging extramarital affair. And moveon. Org came into being by saying he should not be impeached over this. You should not be impeached over committing a felony to cover up an affair. You should be censured and we should all move on from that. Politically, to this piece, this specific piece, we can put russia aside. Im asking specifically about cohen, Campaign Finance violations, trump and women, does that apply here as well . Heres the thing, steve. We havent seen anything like this since watergate. Thats the difference in this. If i were individual one. Individual one should be very concerned. So should individual one junior and so should individual one soninlaw. I mean, every with every court filing, what were seeing is mueller is are getting closer and closer to collusion and obstruction of justice. I mean, that is where we are. I think were going to look back in this period of time and were going to see it as a pivotal moment, especially these last couple of weeks. And were going to say, okay, this is the quiet before the storm. More is coming. And thats the thing that were in the place were here right now. Mueller is light years ahead of us. And so theres so much there that we just dont know. And we just have to wait and see. Frank, let me ask you. We asked you we started this segment talking about this idea of establishing, did the revelations from friday, did the filings from friday move anywhere toward establishing this question of collusion . You heard the point that john was making here that likely the Trump Defense from at least what came out on friday would be this was these were conversations about business that were taking place through the 2016 campaign. Maybe theyd even put out this idea that its been discussed in the Public Square that trump didnt even think he was going to win the election. He was setting up for what he could do after the election businesswise. Is there a distinction being made between conversations that took place along those lines that may look bad but not cross that line versus conversations that amount to collusion when it came to the campaign itself . Certainly. So the four corners of the mueller filing do not lay the groundwork yet for evidence of crime with regard to russia. What they do is point the way to where mueller is going with this. So, for example, from a counterintelligence perspective, if russians stood to gain hundreds of millions of dollars through their relationship with trump on a project in moscow, and understand that Vladimir Putin has to personally approve that, then rest assured they would be going out of their way to assist trump in his campaign to assist him. And similarly, if he understands that he stands to gain hundreds of millions of dollars if this works, then he needs to be joined at the hip with the russians. And that means the russian government. So mueller is pointing us to where hes going on this. If you stay tuned and wait for the roger stone indictment, jerome corsi indictment if you see the level of assistance provided by the russians and the acceptance and recent activity of that from the trump side, i think thats where mueller is headed. Thats what these filings point us to. Were just Getting Started tonight. When we come back, uncertainty over who will be running the white house. John kelly leaving and nick ayers bowing out. Plus the midterms come rolling back in North Carolina amid growing claims of fraud. Top officials are resigning. Nbc and the ap have revoked their calls of a key congressional race. Democrat dan mccready has rescinded. And mark sanford stops by after criticizing the president and losing his seat. As we go to break, sometimes we recap what an insane news cycle its been over the last week. Here it is in one day. Fivepart tweet rant. About bob mueller and leaking lyin james comey. The president has announced nominations for the next attorney general and for the next u. N. Ambassador. John kelly is the next to go. Comey is on capitol hill testifying. The dow is off 420 points. Two major Court Filings out tonight. Michael cohen is now facing potentially substantial prison time. The Trump Campaign interacting with a russian national. Federal prosecutors in new york have accused the president of criminal violations of the federal campaign laws. Three new Court Documents. We do now have the manafort filing. Manafort told multiple, discernible lies. An incredible night of news. What a news night. Place, the xfinity xfi gateway. And its strengthened by xfi pods, which plug in to extend the wifi even farther, past anything that stands in its way. Well almost anything. Leave no room behind with xfi pods. Simple. Easy. Awesome. Click or visit a retail store today. Most times when you start a new job, the first day is pretty straightforward. Meet the coworkers, fill out a 1040 go to orientation and call it a day. Pat reports to his new job in the white house as white House Counsel tomorrow morning, and the administration is in a bit of a state right now. At the time, chief of staff john kelly gone by the end of the year it looks like. Nick ayers reportedly on the way in but now the wall street journal first to report, they couldnt agree on a time frame and ayers is going to leave the administration. Ayers is the Vice President s chief of staff but reportedly told President Trump he couldnt commit to the job for more than the first three months of 2019. The president reportedly looking at four different options and wont make an announcement until the end of the year. At the Justice Department, attorney general jeff sessions, of course, is gone. Replaced temporarily by matt whitaker. Soon to be replaced by william barr, if he is confirmed.

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