Underattorn undertones. Hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes. And what voters think of it. Rotten eggs. Dead fish. Skunk. Garbage. Joining me this sunday morning are welcome to sunday. Its meet the press. From nbc news in washington this is meet the press with chuck todd. Good sunday morning. Very happy to be back after a break during the olympics. How about team usa though. It was worth that break to watch them dominate. But face it hasnt been a good week for either president ial candidate. Beginning with donald trump revamping his campaign again. And then another, and then back again. The involving do deport, dont deport statements confuse the public and even left his own staff tongue tied. At the same time the fbi discovered some 15,000 new Clinton State Department emails which will be released starting next month guaranteeing that issue will follow Hillary Clinton through the end of this campaign. And whats more, the clinton kpoun faced charges and calls to distance themselves even further from the foundation if Hillary Clinton wins the presidency. And through it all the candidates called each other names in an increasingly nasty and negative campaign appears to now be turning voters off. Well see what that means down the road. But we begin with Donald Trumps ham handed efforts to find a middle ground on deportation. In iowa yesterday, trump tried to explain again. All the media wants the talk about is the 11 Million People after a week where an attempt to moderate on emigration turned into a muddle. There certainly can be a softening because were not looking to hurt people. Ive had people say it is a hardening. In five days a dizzying number of positions on immigration. Monday trump appeared to defend president obamas policy. Lots of people were brought out of the country with the existing laws. Im going to do the same thing. As the week went on his positions multiplied. They will pay back taxes. They have to pay taxes. There is no amnesty as such. There is no amnesty. Right. But we worked with them. There is no path [inaudible]. Unless people lev the country. Trump even polled a town hall audience. Number one well say throw it. Number two we work with them. Ready . Number one. Number two. [ cheers and applause ] who knew that it would be donald trump to come on and convert the gop base . Trumps latest confusion may be an attempt to soften his image without alienating long time supporters. In march more than half opposed allowing undocumented immigrants to stay in the country legally even if they met certain requirements. But 70 of voters overall supported eventual legal status. Trumps position on immigration has been shaking like a magic 8ball. Half the time it says just please shake again. Ben shapiro is a former editor at large at breitbart. Breitbarts long time chairman who trump just hired last week to run his flagging campaign. If the polls continue to not be very good then i would not be surprised to see abandon start edging out other members of the inner team by saying hes been telling trump all along he feels he should joust do whats in his heart. Im not saying shes had a stroke or anything like that but this is not the woman that were used to seeing. She doesnt have the stamina to do it even if she wanted to. Belief me. Joining me now is the chairman of the Republican Party, reince priebus. Become back. Good morning, chuck. Lets start with immigration. A month ago you predicted in an interview of the washington examineren evolution on this issue by donald trump. Is that what were seeing here . What is his position specifically on the undocumented immigrants . Well you are going to find out from donald trump very shortly. Hes going to be giving prepared a remarks on this issue i think very soon. I dont want to give a date. We dont know . No. It is sort of remarkable that we dont know. No. I just dont speak for donald trump. Here is what i do know. His position is going to be tough his position is going to be fair. But his position is going to be humane. Hes going to build and complete the border wall that was set in place in 2006 by congress. It is going to be paid for. I believe that he is going to when he talks about deportation, hes going to go after people who are here and are criminals and shouldnt be here. Who is a criminal under this circumstance though . Some people believe just being here illegally a crime and that makes you a criminal. Does that count . Those are the things that donald trump is going to answer. And this is not obviously a simple question. These are not simple issues. If they were simple, obviously the position he simplified a lot during the primaries. Some would argue ovsilied it. He did simplify it. But now hes reflecting it on and his position is going to be known. Think i the part about where donald trump is on this is hes a guy whos going to be tougher on this issue, tougher on illegal i immigration than any politician weve ever had as a nominee or ever could have as a nominee. That is not going change. Hes going teb a law and order candidate and a law and order president. Do you agree with. So the analysis that says oh this is jeb bushs policy. I really dont. Because you are not going to see an easy path to legalization. You are not going to see that in a donald trump plan. You thought jeb bushs plan i think it was an easier plan to legalization. The gangs of eight was an easier plan to citizenship. You are not going to have a pathway to citizenship with donald trump. That is off the table. There is no meth by which someone is here legally that is going to become a citizen and jump the line as Hillary Clinton wants to do. The real issue is look at the two plans. Look at where Hillary Clinton is. She wants to put Barack Obamas immigration plan on steroids. She wants millions of people here illegally to cut the line. Donald trump praised parts of the barack Barack Obamas immigration. Parts of it. But not executive amnesty. Not Illegal Immigrants jumping the line like Hillary Clinton wants to do. That is the issue. The issue is this is an election of choices. One allow every in through complete amnesty. Or number two, a tough plan that is fair and humane. Thats it. Firth right citizenship. It is still on Donald Trumps website. Is he going to call for the end of birth right citizenship . You are going to is and him. Where is the Republican Party on this . Do you think that is should be something that should be the position of the Republican Party. I believe in the interpretation of the Supreme Court on the issue. So you are comfortable with birth right citizenship. Im comfortable with it. Im comfortable with it. Im comfortable with it with the Supreme Court rulings on the issue. So you think donald trump your advice to him would be dont be touching birth right citizenship. A nominee is not does not have the doesnt have to adopt every single position and platform position of the Republican Party. Were talking about . What my opinion is on birth right citizenship does not necessarily have to be adopted by a nominee. My exact view of immigration and how it should be pursued does not have to be adopted by a novm. Leapt me ask you this. In the infamous 2013 autopsy. This is what was written in it. If his pac americans perceive that a gop nominee or candidate does not want them in the United States, i. E. Self deportation, they will not Pay Attention to our next sentence. Do you think donald trump understands this analysis . I think e he understands it complete. I is that what the evolution is all about . What i think is that donald trump understands that with every position that is taken and as you get closer to the white house, a degree of humanity and decency is part of every decision that needs to be made. And i know donald trump. I know donald trump in private. Ive talked to him every day. I know what hes think about a lot of these issues and this is a good and decent man that wants to do the right thing and wants to take every position that hes talking about and pepper it with decency, dignity and humanity. Lets talk about race. Donald trump called Hillary Clinton a bigot this week. Do you think shes a bigot . Look, this is what i think. These are not my words. I think you have to look at peoples actions. If you look at donald trump and his actions in developing and promoting women. And lack at mar ayla go. Maralago. It was bill clinton in her campaign in 2008 that questioned the success of barack obama not based on his talent but based on his race. It was their campaign. Why cant we start judging these people based on what they actually did . She gave out state secrets. She talked about race in a way thats unacceptable. And in this mornings New York Times outlines what Donald Trumps and his father may have done when it came to basically keeping African Americans from being able to rent heres the thing may of done. Here is the issue. Look at what he did do. If you look at what hes done as the developer in putting together golf courses, these club, the things that hes been doing for the last several decades, he has broken the mold when it comes to this issue. And i can tell you where his hearts at. I know where his hearts at. One of the things he said. He said Hillary Clinton only views African Americans as votes. Not as human beings and this is what he tweeted out yesterday morning after the tragedy aggregate dwayne wade, former miami heat now chicago bull whos cousin was shot and killed in chicago. Dwayne wades cousin was just shot and killed walking her baby in chicago. Just what ive been saying, African Americans will in all caps vote trump. Appropriate . Here is where i think hes frustrated with. Is that democrats, i think have been taking advantage of this vote and providing very little leadership to get things done in urban areas across america. I worked in wisconsin for Tommy Thompson when the first private School Choice bill was put together. Democrats out of the cities, democrats in the power ways of their parties that fought School Choice across the state of wisconsin wisconsin. And to me. If you want to look at leadership in the city, in education reform, freeing up sba loans for black Small Business owners. These are the things our party is championing and he sees that and it is frustrating to see that the democrats go into these cities, i think take advantage of the vote and provide very little leadership in return. Are you happy with i go with the flow based on what the Campaign Want dosmts i think kellyanne is doing a phenomenal job. I dont know steve bannan. Were learning his background. Its quite uncommon. Is this the proper background donald trump should be hiring if hes trying to appeal to women, for instance. I dont know how much is true north. Neither do you. I dont speculate based on what other third parties say about people. I tend to judge people based on what i see and what i interact with. One final question with the issue of the Clinton Foundation and the tax returns. Donald trump has been hitting her hard all sts of the behind the scenes, pay for play allegations. Does it undercut his message if he wont release his tax returns. Would he be on Higher Ground here if we saw no i dont think so by the way roger stone is the latest republican to call for donald trump to release his tax returns. A close friend of trumps. I dont think so. If you look at what Hillary Clinton has done, i think when voters look at what Hillary Clinton actually did. They see somebody they believe broke the law. They see somebody who they believe gave away state secrets. They see somebody that went out of her way. Jup judge but you are judging but with e dont know, that is the point. In we dont know. We know that Hillary Clinton shouldnt be trusted with National Secrets and with the most the most precious information that our country has this their hands. We know she cant be trusted. Are you equating the known conclusion that she cant be trusted with state secrets to what could be in Donald Trumps taxes . Weve had a history of every major nominee releasing their tax returns, reince. Every major president ial nominee and by the way he is a provide businessman whos Companies May or may not benefit from him being president. That is something voters should want to know. Im not suggesting that it is isnt a subject that good journalists dont discuss. What im suggesting is it is preposterous to compare someone that we know gave away National Secrets. You are making an assumption. We dont know that. We do know. It is the vulnerability. But you are making james comey. Went to the next leap case for gross negligence. I understand casey laid out bewe dontacry out. We dont have a smoking gun. We know that confidential top secret emails were part of the information that was put in a private secret server. We know that to be the case. You are equating that knowledge to the possibility of maybe something isnt right in a tax return that we dont know about. Okay. Reince priebus i will leave it there. Good luck. Its been a good two weeks for donald trump. And a bad two weeks for Hillary Clinton. All rightment. Well let the panel assess that question right very now. You bet. The panel is here. Hugh hewitt, robert costa and joy reed. Costa, has it been a good two weeks for trump and bad for Hillary Clinton . You have change for trump. But this is a candidate whos uncomfortable staying on script. So well have to see how long it lasts. Is he done damage on immigration or not hugh . I think hes helped himself a lot by appearing to bring more humanity into to his position, especially with regard to families. It was a terrible two weeks. I think what we will here. Eight letters. Foreign agent registration act, foreign corrupt practices act. The Clinton Foundation is in trouble. Doug bannion. Even the former president is in trouble on these two very complex, very applicable laws. I think donald trump has helped himself on imgauges migry muddying the waters, making it a little less controversial on deportation but he has to eventually become more specific by the debate lets say. But i think on the law, go back to what comey said. And what comey said to the committee that there was no and in the letter afterwards that he finds no basis for prosecution and that has to be the bottom line. And in the last part that chairman priebus and i were going back and forth on, this issue of okay you have the issues of the people have with the Clinton Foundation and what we dont know about trumps businesses. Is this equal or not . No. It is not even close to be equal. And one of the things thats been interesting in the last couple weeks is when weve discovered one of the few things weve been able to figure out about trumps business deals is how much he owes to foreign banks. I think people do have a right to know what business interests and what debts a potential president might have. But i will tell you on the other side of that ledger one of the concerns a lot of democratic strategists have had has been ab lack of Energy Around the clinton chain. Donald trump has done more to energize African Americans against him than Hillary Clinton has done in a year. The steve bannan. What did you make of that. It tells me that there is i will say this. That for every steve bannan and breitbart there is a. For every ann colter there is a michael moore. For every. There isnt somebody with with connections to White Nationalism except steve bannan and i think that is a significant problem for the trump campaign. So the Trumps Campaign meeting today at new jersey. Ive been covering bannion. Hes done zero press appearances. He has conway as the face of the campaign. But the reports they are getting a lot of republicans nervous. That was a tell to me. Absolutely. Thattish sounds to me if t chairman had his preference bannion would not be there. All right. Well be back in a moment. To talk about the other person who had a rough week this week. Hillary clinton. 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