I suspect some time tomorrow that mike and i will both get phone calls and one of us will be packing our bags to go to new york and the other one will be going to watch it on it, v. Yeah, that sounds like someone with confidence. That is the apprentice. Thats someone who is confident. Do you think it is going to be newt . I do. I think its going to be down to
two. I still think that is going to be what happened. Really great way to start the show. Just diving off. All right, good morning, everyone. Thursday, july 13th. With us on set we have legendary and msnbc contributor, Mike Barnicle. They mock you every time. Its love. President of the council and Foreign Relations richard haus and in cleveland, ohio, managing editor of and manager of all due respect. What is that . Its a plant. Somebody got shot. How terrible. They need to clean it up. Mark halperin. In nashville, tennessee. Were safely in 1957. John meacham with the nashville okay, good job. What a good crew. Were leading up to, yeah, always know the truth. John, so, were leading up to the Vice President ial sweepstakes. This unlike any others because trump is running it like a reality game show. Sort of like apprentice he makes people try out. Walter mondale brought people up and down that driveway back in 84 and its hugely, its fascinating, i think partly because i would bet a significant amount of money that maybe even mr. Trump right now is not sure, as he likes to say. Hes intuitive and he reacts off the cuff and i suspect hes doing that right now. Hillary clinton doing the same thing. I mean, shes been trying people out because you want to see how they perform in public and get a feel for the relationship and this is someone youre going to
be spending a long time with. Hillary is down to three people. One the former dnc chair. The former governor of virginia and, three, the current senator of virginia. Thats three. Thats right. All tim kaine. Not just three of them. But its going to end up there because its boring, right . Is that bad to say. If im her id like to win virginia and hes run the dnc and been a governor and a senator and he knows Foreign Policy and he checks every box except for the, whoa, hey, hes exciting. We should look at the swing state polls and see if you still feel that way. Donald trump will unveil his running mate tomorrow. The aannouncement will come in manhattan at 11 00. Children and his soninlaw have been meeting with the top tier finalists. New jersey governor chris
christie met with trump family members tuesday. With trumps plane temporarily out of commission for mu acanical problems the meetings continued in indiana. Newt gingrich met with trump for two and a half hours. Those Senior Campaign sources tell nbc hes not a fine list for a vp. Trump met once more with governor mike pence this time at his familys home. Mrs. Pence and i put out a breakfast spread late last night and some flowers and served coffee and warm breakfast this morning and just had good conversation as a family together. These are good people. This man is going to be a great president and you can really tell a lot about a person when you get around their family. I think that pence has a terrific ability to bring together the regular party and to reach out to many, many people you serve with in the
house and that hes known through the Governors Association and i think he would be a very stabilizing force. I think a lot of people who are a little jittery about donald trump would feel reassured talking with pence and that he could spend a good bit of july and august bringing back the Party Regulars and getting them inside. Doing for trump what george h. W. Bush did in 1980. I am an outsider. Im oriented towards moving the great base of the party and communicating big ideas and i think trumps got inside does he want a second person that is really as effective on television or does he want somebody who is really good on reaching out on a personal basis that trump may not be able to reach on his own. I tell you, Chris Christie is somebody i have liked a long
time. Hes a total professional. Hes a good guy, people dont understand that. But im narrowing it down. Im at three, potentially four, but in my own mind i probably am thinking about two. I just want to pick somebody that is very good. I want to pick somebody who is solid, who is smart, im not looking for an attack dog. Frankly, im looking for somebody who really understands what were talking about. Youre really tapped into the thinking here. Who do you think those two are and what do you think the logic is . I think its probably newt and pence. I think its newt and christie. I think without a doubt it should be christie. Chris christie can prosecute the case against Hillary Clinton better than anybody else. And, you know, people worried about the bridge. I see that as a positive. You bring up a bridge investigation and go, yeah, they investigated me for closing one
lane. They investigated Hillary Clinton for actually putting Americas National security at risk. Well talk about them every day and well be just fine. I would say, joe, the role of the Vice President has changed in the last four presidencies. The old vp pick was about regional balance on the ticket, right . Its really change under to more of a counselor role. When you think of the last four Vice President ial picks, it was joe biden, dick cheney. And, so, i think if Chris Christie does feel like hes more in that counselor role. He really does. People say, oh, its 26 in new jersey, thats one or two day stories. At the end of the day, i always found that in politics, mike, people do not care whats in the rear view mirror, they care
whats ahead of them. Trumps selection is very important because it will come down can the person who is selected succeed donald trump if anything were to happen. I mean, anything. If trump agitates congress to the point where they decide to impeach him. Can the Vice President succeed the president . The democratic selection for Vice President , though, is kind of even more interesting because of the presence of former president bill clinton in the white house. Yeah. No doubt. Mark halperin, tell me why im wrong. I think Newt Gingrich. Lets say its down to newt and pence. I think newt and trump together are just two volatile chemicals you wouldnt want to put in the same container. Mike pence, mike pence is just not ready for this. I mean, it takes a special person to be ready for dealing with the chaos that Donald Trumps campaign can bring every
day and hes been accused of having sort of, i know mike served with him and him being an able guy and i think hell be an able leader. But as far as the rough and tumble, hes so off brand from donald trump, that it makes absolutely no sense and i think bad things would happen. I wish you all had been with me in indianapolis yesterday in my years covering president ial politics i never had a day quite like it. Part of it was just a spectacle. But part of it was a family really trying to make a decision as a family on what to do. Even though the rest of the family believes it is up to daunld trump himself to decide. I think all three of them are risky in some sense and could be solid picks if launched correctly. Lets talk about the risks. We know why newts a risk. We know that pence may not be
ready for primetime, this type of carnival atmosphere. Why is Chris Christie a risk . Well, i think if the first thing id say is not just the bridge, but, remember, four years ago when mitt romney was considering him. Very drawn for picking him the reasons about his strength. You need that. But other betting issues from the past that the romney lawyers look at and say this is just a breach too far. Christie never addressed those things in the context of the national campaign. Are those things not extraordinary small compared to the man at the top of the ticket . People dont want to get consumed by Chris Christies stories from the past when they ve so many stories to focus on with donald trump. Well, did you think people would be consumed by dan quayles draft record . Just the history of this. Donald trump was on the top of the ticket. Were in a new world. I agree, but also in a new world where the democrats will go hard at whoever is picked. Donald trumps chances of winning how many days between now and Hillary Clinton and how many are about other things. To me, thats the biggest risk with christie. What made yesterday so unusual for you . You said it was the most interesting day you encountered president ial politics. Covering the vp stakes and were in indianapolis and went out to the governor residence because i had Nothing Better to do and not much going on and then the trump kids pulled up in a motorcade shortly after donnell trump pick showed up and the rest of the National Media showed up and most of the action was back at the conrad hotel downtown, a nice property, by the way, where trump and pence
had dinner the night before. Gingrich and sessions flying in and the meetings going on and trump doing an interview with fox where he says, as you played earlier, im down tato two, may three. Trump saying going back down to two. The two gingrich says is gingrich and pence. I was told by two people do not rule christie out. Christie is still in the mix here. So, john meacham, lets go back to and donald trump watches this show and hes watching now and his family watches the show and theyre watching now. Of course, 84 Million People across america watch. Theres that. Theres that happening. They havent picked out of the box. Maybe they are, maybe theyre not. But if we go back, the disasters for Vice President ial selections right. Arent they the dan quayles
who arent ready for primetime that have the deer in the headlight moment when pressed by lloyd benson. The geraldine who wasnt quite ready for the onslot of dealing what was happening with her husband. Admiral stockdale. You can go down the list. I always say and with all due respect to scott walker, who i love. He was one of my favorites early on, hes just not ready for the big stage. Hes a great shortstop but a double a shortstop. Thats my argument for Chris Christie. Hes been there. We saw him throughout the fall. He delivered the best town hall meeting addresses across new jersey. He made us cry around here talking about his friend who died. He gutted the future of the Republican Party, marco rubio. Finished him in one dedebate. Hes been a prosecutor. Am i carrying his water right now . No, im not. Just doing my political analysis. If you want to avoid crises down the road, isnt the first thing you do is get a lloyd benson type who has been there before and not going to wither in october . The way i sometimes think of it is the best kind of Vice President passes the helicopter test. Can you imagine in a moment of grave crisis this person getting off the helicopter and taking over . And by that standard, dick cheney worked. By that standard back in 1980, therati though reagan was not excited about it, its why Vice President quayle, spent four years of trying to recover from that moment. And its why al gore worked in
many ways. So, i think youre right. I think my own view is that speaker gingrich feels like, you know, donald trump with a more, with a dorkier vocabulary. Does that really do it . But i think secondly, Vice President s when they offer a reassurance sense that if the worse happens, they will be able to run the country with a steady hand. Its the first sort of president ial decision. Yeah, mark. Just real quick. I think all three of these guys have downsides and theyre being discussed. If trump markets whatever one of the three successfully, gingrich in particular very unorthodox pick. If they market them successfully, i think they can move on and get the focus back
on the top of the ticket, they just have to explain why did i pick this person . Why is this person the best . I think they can do that with any of the three. Christie has the most upside, if he performs. Hands down. We bring you into this. Both Newt Gingrich and Chris Christie have been through the fire. I mean, Newt Gingrich has had as Much Negative press written about him and, yes, thats a negative. But also Newt Gingrich is still standing. Newt gingrich has been through hell and back. A lot of it has been his own fault but Newt Gingrich is still standing. Newt gingrich and Chris Christie has been through the fire. The New York Times tore Chris Christie to shreds for a year and a half. Chris christie is still standing. Thats my concern with mike pence. Not only been through the fire, but they know the issues. Theres a sense that theyve
been around it long enough and internalized it and both of them in that sense have a major ramp to get ready. Look, when Vice President they need to get through the first 48 hours. You dont want something happening moment one where that becomes a story or a problem. Then theyve got to get through the campaign and thats where the counselor role comes in. You always need to break it into the three bits. Can you get through the first 38 hours without a crisis or a scandal and not hurt you in the campaign and hopefully help you. If you win, can they be a side kick. How long do you want to hang around with this guy . Thats another thing about pence, donald trump is not going to want to hang out with mike pence. Oh, be nice. Thats not very nice. No, im just saying, i know donald trump. I know mike pence, i like them both. You would not sit them next to each other on thanksgiving. Try out on twitter where he
was trying out and doing his twitter attack lines against Hillary Clinton. Not his natural role. With christie important to note he was one of the first established republicans to back donald trump. He was he was killed for it. Picking Chris Christie. He was there when no one was there. Picking Chris Christie sends an incredible signal. Chris christie endorsed him on a friday when donald trump was bleeding. Yes. He was bleeding and christie was there and he stepped in and the entire party turned on him. And christie stayed there. Loyalty really matters. And he was, meacham he was mocked and ridiculed. Chris christie, he still was. Mocked and ridiculed and he stayed there. Yeah, absolutely. And there are two reoles here. One is what we are talking about. A tactical one. I think richards right. A first out of the gate and then theres through the fall. But, ultimately, id argue in the general election people are looking for a Vice President and they want to know, can this person take over . We have so much to get to. But that was an interesting conversation. Still ahead on morning joe almost something wrong with her. Thats what donald trump said yesterday about Supreme Court justice ruth baiter ginsburg. Almost something wrong with her. As he continues to go after her after she fired the first shot going after trump. I have to say, its bizarre. Its really bizarre what she has done over the past its a bizarre year. Its one of those things. But theres some people you do not expect to follow the carnival barker back and, you know, into the room. Well have that. Also speaking of almost
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