Former GOP representative Joe Scarborough and Mika Brezinski interview newsmakers, politicians and pundits about the issues of the day. Jonathan, were probably going to get swept in like three when we get divisional playoffs. So, i mean, but, listen, it was a fun summer. Mika, why dont we go to the news. In an interview last night President Trumps lawyer said special Counsel Robert Mueller will personally have a lot to answer for just hours after they rejected muellers reported latest offer to get a Sit Down Interview with the president. Trumps legal team said they have made the counteroffer listing their conditions for access to the president who is a subject in the wideranging investigation of russian interference in the 2016 election. Trumps attorneys also publicly voiced their desire for the probe to end. Within the next three weeks and suggested that mueller would be violating doj policies, if it does not end. Dont have an internal deadline. We are moving. I use the phrase, expeditiously. I said and i know you said, we
want to see this come to closure soon. Mayer . It is about time it ends and i also think and i hope the Special Counsel as sensitive to it as we are, we dont want to run into the november elections. So back up from that. This should be over with by september 1st. If it isnt over by september, then we have a very, very serious violation of the Justice Department rules that you shouldnt be conducting one of these investigations in the 60day period. But, what giuliani claims would be a serious violation is, in fact, a distortion as the Justice DepartmentInspector General recently wrote that the 60day rule is not written or described in any Department Policy or regulation. Adding it is generalized, unwritten guidance that prosecutors did not indict political candidates or use overt investigative methods in the weeks before the election
not that they terminate investigations. Mika, its important to remember that Rudy Giuliani back in the 1990s, he was into the investigation of bill clinton and it was perfectly fine that ken starr conducted an investigation and went on years and years through one election after another after another. Robert mueller is not going to be indicting anybody right before an election and that will be consistent with guidelines. But you have, if youre in pursuit of a couple of dozen russians who you have evidence that violated american democracy and tried to undermine american democracy, you dont end that investigation because Rudy Giuliani tells you to end that investigation. In fact, you need guidance from Rudy Giuliani and go back on just about every topic and see what he said when republicans were indicting or trying to
thats more ilegitimate than this one and i wonder where is the sense of justice on the part of mueller, on the part of the Justice Department. The real story here is not that this case isnt going to fizzle. Its going to blow up on them. The real question is, what we talked about before. A lot more to what they did that nobody knows about yet. And mueller is going to have a lot to answer for. You know, willie, with Rudy Giuliani going around and izeyes bulging while hes talking and looking disoriented, you look for excuses for americas mayor, for being this wildly off base. Again, we just showed off the top of the show all of the members of the Trump Administration and the Trump Campaign that have already been indicted and are also, that have also pled guilty. That have already pled guilty. I mean, you on top of that have 25 russians. This is an active investigation. Now, Rudy Giuliani says they have nothing. They already have trumps Second Campaign manager. Trumps i mean, indicted. Trumps Deputy Campaign manager indicted. Trumps National Security adviser indicted. This is like the grand jury indicted all of these people. Trumps Foreign Policy adviser that he said was one of his two most important, indicted. Trumps first Campaign Manager had charges dropped. And trumps First Congressional Endorser now indicted. The man who put him, who put his name into nomination for republican nominee now indicted. And 5 russi25 intel agencies sa
is the forensic evidence of Vladimir Putin, the gru, exkbg agents trying to undermine de c democra democracy. How does Rudy Giuliani even have the nerve to go on there and say what he just said . That is an awful lot of indictments and Plea Bargains. Trumps legal Team Continues to put out these arbitrary calls based on, i dont know what, other than they want it to end to clear the president. May 10th the Vice President of the United States said, quote y think its time to wrap it up. Rudy giuliani said again, and also repeated last night that bob mueller doesnt have anything. Laid out everything bob mueller has shown he has. Neither Rudy Giuliani or you or
i know what he has. First of all, the president s team who has been delaying for eight months an interview is also saying they need to hurry up and end. But, second, just look at im just always amazed what the mayors team will say on the record. What he said in that interview is that the president s story, if told to mueller, would put him into perjury. So, what hes saying is the president s story is wrong. Its a lie. He just admitted it on national tv because of the president s version is true, its it is not perjury trap. We have kind of blown right past the fact of what he admitted just there. Matt miller, go ahead, joe. I was just going to say to nick, hey, nick, the point and people think im joking about it. Im not. If i were president of the United States and all of my
lawyers thought i was too stupid or too much of a liar to sit down and just talk to Robert Mueller, id fire them. But this is all we have heard consistently from Donald Trumps lawyers. That hes too stupid to sit down with Robert Mueller. That mueller will twist his head in circles. Or that hes such a liar that he cant, that it would be a, quote, perjury threat. Now, listen, if i were going to sit down and ask you a series of questions, there would be a problem if the editors of New York Times called me up and said, you know, we cant let nick know on today. Why not . Youll catch him in lies. My response would be, dont lie. Just have him tell the truth. This is what every time giuliani and his lawyers come on and say hes too stupid or hes just not smart enough. They say that behind the scenes to keep up with the robert
mueller. But every time they come on to a show like hannity say we cant let him on because hell perjure himself. Hes such a liar, he cant help himself. Sit down with the Special Counsel is no joke and even an innocent person would go into that with fear and trepidation. This is the president and he has a team of qualified lawyers around him who could prep him for this and if he can learn to tell the truth for two hours he could get through it. Learn to tell the truth. Here jewgiuliani is, what do he think were, he accuses miller of thinking that the president s teams are fools. I think he should be accused of thinking the American People are fools. We need to like call it out. You know, this is ridiculous. They want justice, lets do the justice. You can demonstrate justice in front of us. What giuliani is doing. Not much of a legal strategy. This is a Public Relation strategy. Trying to drum up outrage among republicans or perhaps some independents about this probe. We have seen its been somewhat effective. Like the polling on muellers probe has dropped in recent weeks and months. We know hes been chipping away at people who view this investigation has integrity and should continue. And they, meanwhile, as we just pointed out, theyre the ones dragging this on. Thats part of this argument. Its taking too long and a waste of taxpayer money and waste of time and distraction and slowing down the president s agenda and becoming more and more of a talk point and as the doj of regulation, Mueller May Push pause here but he doesnt have to wrap it up before september 1st. And, of course, we saw from james comey high doe doesnt ha
push pause either. So, matt miller all the times i laid out previously that the Trump Administration and trumps lawyers have called for an end to it, bob mueller has ignored those calls. Is he aware and conscious and do you think he feels any pressure from the outside on his investigation . I doubt he feels a lot of pressure from the outside. When bob mueller was running the fbi, he handled his job with the fbi the same way he handles this one which is to put his head down and plow forward. One of the interesting things about the president s strategy is i think the time when muellers probe was in this long, kind of fivemonth period between when they indicted russians for the Social Media Interference and indicted russians for the hacking. There was a fivemonth period where they were really dark. The president was making some headway arguing at this was going on too long. He is now back in business. Hes back out. Kind of indicting russians. And to the point i think jonathan made, you know f txwok president agreed to the interview a long time ago or drawn the line a long time ago, im not going to agree to this interview, theyre going to have a better case. But a better political case that this was going on too long. By dragging it out themself they are the ones responsible for the Obstruction Of Justice portion of this. It could have been wrapped up a long time ago if the president aagreed to an interview. Theyre doing thedo their be but theyre even horrible at this. I mean, you look at the fact that now the administration is saying that they are going to sanction russia and foreign governments for interfering with elections. Theyre doing that specifically because of the indictments that were laid down last month. Robert mueller using the u. S. Military information had the specifics of how the russians tried to destroy our election. What computer screens, what their key strokes were. What buildings they were in. The detail was so specific that we busted them red handed beyond any reasonable doubt. But think about this. If mike pence had his way and this had been shut down in may, like mike pence was saying, we would never have this evidence that, basically, showed what the russians tried to do and what theyre going to try to do again in 2018. Oh, yeah. Thats just one part of it. I mean, for instance, before the Mueller Probe began, we were operating in which the Trump Campaign and Trump White House was insisting that there was no contact with russians at all. But mike pence said, can you believe that mike pence actually had the nerve to say in 2017, we
were never talking to any russians. Nobody related to this campaign ever talked to any russians. We were talking to americans. Just as extraordinary lie when you look at the collection of russians that they were talking to throughout 2016. I feel like sometimes people dont quite, its not presented comprehensively in front of people and people dont grasp how much Robert Mueller and his team and sometimes were jaded about it. For instance f , if we just fou out today there was a meeting in trump tower, we would think it is a political crisis but now its. The issue and i think we have to bring this in here because its a prong of this, it is not just the Media Pressure and its not Rudy Giuliani going out there, there is intense capitol hill pressure, too. Rachel maddow last night unearthed a private recording of devon nunez saying they were going to take another stab at the impeachment of rob rosen ste stein. So we have this congressional prong that seems to be working to provide some for the Trump White House and to kasie because shes so plugged in on the hill. Is this a serious threat from nunez or acting rogue here . Were going to have to ask paul ryan whether he would let Something Like that go forward. In theory, they could make that privilege and force his hand. But the broader point youre making, sam, is the right one. Were really headed for the real Wreckeni Reckoning and easy to lose sight of it and the drips out of the Special Counsels office and evolving what seemed to me a set
of excuses that Rudy Giuliani was giving to republicans that would question what is going on with Robert Mueller. But, look, republicans are going to have to decide at some point depending on what bob mueller is going to find. Are they going to defend the president at all costs . Thats what nunez is saying on that tape. Hes saying no matter what mueller finds, we need to stand behind President Trump. There is going to be republicans on the hill who are going to do that. And i think a wide middle that is going to have to really look inside themselves and decide, okay, how am i going to handle this . We saw that in water gate what turned the tide for Richard Nixon after it was clear that there was crimes that were proven that republicans in his own party turned on him. You know, if you look at devon nunez, if you look at some members of the Freedom Caucus, they remind me of the people that we conservatives used to call useful idiots that would fly down to nicaragua that theUnited States is doing terrible things and were apologizing and we conservatives, we republicans called them useful idiots for always apologizing for the russians and always being part of the blame America First crowd. Well, when you look at what leaders of the Freedom Caucus are doing, when you look at what nunez is doing, i think we need to stop saying what theyre doing is trying to protect donald trump. Because what theyre actually doing is theyre protecting Vladimir Putin and covering up more crimes that the United States military and intel agencies are digging at right now this very moment. Theyve unearthed some of his crimes. Theyre looking for more crimes. But you have devon nunez
bragging about trying to stop the investigation and russias interference. Its shameful. A Division Within america in here between the white house and the institutions of america in here. Were actually, basically, what i hear about trump supporting and invade the investigation, i hear him defending the mafia, the Biggest Mafia Of The World in Vladimir Putin, basically. You have a have to address him d address that head on rather than being divided among us. I feel like President Trump has a choice here. Step up and lead the country ethically speaking and stop defending corrupt leaders around the world. No sign thats happening any time soon. But that would be the hope. Still ahead on morning joe criminal charges ahead, chris
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