Paint is not bullets. Theyre shooting paint, first of all, theyre driving through and shooting paint and spraying people on the sides of the streets, and again he still you know, mika, its incredible. You have two candidates yesterday, and even for those who have the reality distortion fields around donald trump, its obvious even to them. You have two sets of candidates. One candidate is condemning violence from both sides. And he talks about protests that are reduced into violence and lawlessness will not be tolerated and he said they should be prosecuted. Yeah. On the other side you have another candidate, in this case the president of the United States, who refuses to condemn violence, who encourages people to go in and stir up violence. And i thank the wall street journal editorial page, i commend them i guess i should say for yesterday telling the president to cut that out because thats just stirring up violence. And then you have the president who still wont condemn a 17yearold boy, a boy, who left his home in illinois, i heard his mom driving, i cant believe that oh my god. Left his home, went around trying to defend property that was not his, to a town that was not his own, and ended up killing two people and wounding a third. Its very telling, of course, that sort of tragic vigilanteism followed donald trump actually promoting and clglorifying at t rnc people that held up guns in front of their homes and pointed those guns at people who were marching past. And were going to show some new polls that are out this morning. Were going to get to them. But for people that lose faith in the common sense of most americans, they can see through this and youll see in polls in a minute how they are seeing through the this. I predicted, as it was happening, that june 1st was going to be a defining moment in this campaign that donald trump beating up protesters with the help of barr, Peaceful Protesters, and gassing them so he could hold a bible upside down in a way that holding a bible that senator langford said hed never seen anybody hold a bible that way, despite the fact hes been studying the bible every day his entire life. That was Michael Dukakis in the tank in 1988, it was one of those moments, it didnt work. I got to say that i fear that rittenhouse, the 17yearold kid, just running around shooting and killing protesters coming at him with a skateboard is going to be another such defining moment, because this is the chaos that donald trump has let loose. Why do i say that . Because donald trump wont condemn it. He wont tell people to stay home. He wont condemn qanon, he wont condemn the worst elements of american society. He will if its on the left. He will if its in cities what he calls democratic cities. But the problem with that is the Kenosha Police department told us yesterday that of the people arrested in those protests, the overwhelming majority came from outside the city. In fact, they came from 44 different cities. The people of kenosha, which donald trump claims is a democratic town, i guess, theyre being invaded by people that donald trump would say were from his america. See, donald, its all of your america. You dont understand that and you never will. I personally believe thats why youre going to be voted out in the fall, because we are one america. And i wish you could do what joe biden is doing right now, and that is condemn violence on all sides in the strongest of terms. What we saw yesterday and well show you a lot this morning, joe biden in a powerful speech and donald trump went out and talked again as well. And you see the difference between someone who loves this country, respects the constitution, respects the law and knows good when he sees it and knows evil when he sees it. And then you see a president who, it is what it is, or well see what happens. Who likes to sort of keep that chaos moving along. And thats the choice in just a matter of days, actually and you know, mika, also, this is the same guy and we brought it up in real time when he was doing it, i wrote about it in the Washington Post column. This is a guy that constantly talked about beating up people back in the good old days they used to beat up people and drag them out. And if you beat up people i will pay for your defense. And you know, i had long said that he was disqualified back even in february after he denied knowing who david duke and the kkk was. Think about this, remember, folks, he was talking about Second Amendment solutions to stop Hillary Clinton from selecting federal judges and Supreme Court justices. He was suggesting that the people who support Second Amendment assassinate Hillary Clinton. I remember writing an oped there saying the Republican Party has no choice they have to take him off the ticket. They havent. So now, we are here theyre coming up on an election, mika. Theyve ignored all these warnings for four years and theyre going to be routed. Everything he has seemingly joked about is true. Its not a joke with him. Wouldnt want to see him on fifth avenue. With us we have host of kasie dc on msnbc, kasie hunt. Columnist and associate editor of the Washington Post, Eugene Robinson. And chief White House Correspondent for the New York Times, peter baker. Lets get to the new poll you were talking about, joe. New Morning Consult poll out just now showing the race between joe biden and President Trump largely unmoved by both party conventions. Nationally biden is up by 8 over President Trump. 51 to 43 . You know, mika, on the battleground state levels the numbers look unchanged in some areas, but there are exceptions. Look at this. In arizona, the if you just look at these numbers, the rnc was disastrous for donald trump. Joe biden jumping seven points to reach 52 . Hes now ten points up in a mustwin state for donald trump. Other key states, biden holding a tenpoint lead in michigan. A state that the Trump Campaign has been saying for a month they may have to abandon. 52 to 42 . Hes up big in colorado, by nine. Hes up seven in wisconsin and in minnesota and four in pennsylvania. In georgia, in georgia, the former Vice President is up by three points. North carolina and florida have tightened. Biden up by two. In texas, trump is up by one. And in ohio, donald trump is seems to be locking that down a bit. But you go back to the numbers, there are two numbers, peter baker that are going to jump out not just for the Trump Campaign, the biden campaign, and i think also they should jump out for people in the media that keep talking about kenosha. Here are the two numbers, first number, arizona. Huge jump in arizona well see if other polls follow along there. But then, in wisconsin, Morning Consult when they released this poll said, most notably, joe bidens support among white voters in this wisconsin is unchanged from before the conventions and even after the recent riots in kenosha. A lot to digest in all those polls. What are some of your takeaways . I think thats right. Its one poll and its hard to get too worked up about any individual poll. Remember, we have a lot of time to go, this is only a few days since the conventions but this should give some relief to democrats who are worried that President Trump has gained some traction with the law and order issue in recent days, if wisconsin at this point is still strongly behind biden if the numbers there are as they are in the Morning Consult poll, that may tell them that they are less vulnerable than they had thought. Theres no question in the recent few days that the Trump Campaign has felt some sense of momentum, some sense of having a more, you know, sustained message they could rely on, talk about something other than the coronavirus and the economy. And that will rile their voters and get their own base going. If its not working for them, well see if that continues after labor day. I think youll see more of it today when the president arrives in kenosha, hes planning to be there with Law Enforcement, tour some damaged areas and highlight what he points to as the me radding mobs in the street. Hes not scheduled to meet with the family of jacob blake, the black man shot seven times in the back and whose incident sparked some of the most recent protests and violence in the streets. Hes taking one side, not trying to calm people. He does see this as a political issue. Hes made it very clear he sees it in partisanterms. These are democrat led cities he said and lays it at the feet of joe biden, as if biden was responsible for the violence in the streets. Gene robinson, this is actually, if you step back, and you even listen to what the white house people close to donald trump are saying in the white house, this is really the equivalent of a political smoke bomb. They are doing Everything Possible to stop the media and stop the democrats and stop americans from looking at those numbers in the coronavirus, over 180,000 people dead. Over six Million People in america affected by it. The United States doing more poorly than everybody else and donald trump has made the calculation, i am going to tweet 90 times on sunday morning. Maybe, just maybe, people wont be talking about the coronavirus, because when they talk about the coronavirus im losing. So a 17yearold kid going around shooting people, okay. Donald trump is thinking that will distract. People will talk about that. Chaos in portland, okay, lets talk about that. That stops americans from looking at the coronavirus and the 6 million americans who have had the coronavirus. And but gene, while we do that, lets just jump back to these polls for one second, because i think its fascinating, one of the funniest things i heard was the white house staff high fiving each other after june the 1st. Funny because just how bad their political instincts are because the second we saw it they knew it was going to be a dy tisaste and they thought that was going to be a success. And theyre going around telling anyone who will listen the president s new law and order pitch is going to be great for him as well. In fact, its not, its going to blow up in his face politically. This trip to kenosha hes taking today could be just like the june 1st debacle. It could end up driveing voters away rather than bringing them to his side. Youre right that the white house is trying to use kenosha and portland as a smoke screen, as a diversion for the obvious reasons they just stated, they dont want to talk about the coronavirus. Its kind of a weird thing to try, because we all live with the coronavirus every day. This defines our lives in a way that few external factors can define the lives of every american. So its a dubious strategy, i think, to avoid it. But hes trying to avoid it because he has nothing good to say about it. So hes trying to use this the issue of protest and the violence, the chaos which he loves as a way of creating some sort of illusion of momentum for the Trump Campaign. Before we saw this polling, i i think i wrote in my column this morning that it was an illusion of momentum i think if the polling is right, it is clearly an illusion. And, in fact, if theres momentum in the swing states it looks like its in the opposite direction. But well see, its just one poll. So well see. Well, im amid the backdrop of violent protests that have escalated across the country in recent days, former Vice President joe biden has launched a new attack against President Trump during a visit to battleground pennsylvania yesterday, biden gave a blistering speech. Accusing trump of sowing chaos and division. In his remarks, biden directly challenged trumps claim that americans wont be safe if democrats win in november and condemned the recent violence seen in several u. S. Cities. I want to make it absolutely clear, so let me be very clear about all of this. Rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of this is protesting. Its lawlessness plain and simple. And those who do it should be prosecut prosecuted. You know me. You know my heart. You know my story. My familys story. Ask yourself, do i look like a radical socialist with a soft spot for rioters . Really . I want a safe america. Safe from covid, safe from crime and looting. Safe from racially motivated violence. Safe from bad cops. Let me be crystal clear, safe from four more years of donald trump. But look, if donald trump wants to ask the question who will keep you safer as president . Lets answer that question. First, some simple facts. When i was Vice President , Violent Crime fell 15 in this country. We did it without chaos and disorder. This is a sitting president of the United States of america. Hes supposed to be protecting this country. Instead hes rooting for chaos and violence. The simple truth is, donald trump failed to protect america. So now, hes trying to scare america. Donald trump has been a toxic presence in our nation for four years. Poisoning how we talk to one another. Poisoning how we treat one another. Poisoning the values this nation has always held dear. Poisoning our very democracy. Now, just a little over 60 days, we have a decision to make. Will we rid ourselves of this toxin or will we make a permanent make it a permanent part of our nations character . Campaigns are all about contrasts, especially when youre challenging somebody. The contrast between joe biden, decency exhibited there in that statement and donald trump, could not be more extreme. Especially in these chaotic times. Terrible times. Yeah, terrible times. And joe biden also talked about how most cops were good cops and when they put on that badge and went out at night, they were putting their lives on the line i ev every single night and he believed he could bring people together, and have police and protesters at the same table and work through police reforms. Kasie hunt, despite the fact that joe biden said repeatedly he condemns the violence, you have Trump Supporters and people in the blogsphere and trump media saying he wont condemn the violence. He did it yesterday in unambiguous terms. What do you think the impact is . You saw it there, we played it for everyone. I think the fact that joe biden went and played this speech i think shows that he himself thought it was important from a moral perspective to make that argument. It shows they were feeling political pressure and imperative to make sure they were going back and pushing back against the momentum the Trump Campaign has been feeling because of what weve been seeing. But i think this comes down to what has become the central narrative of this race and the central problem for donald trump, which is that he keeps trying to convince americans that joe biden isnt somebody that he obviously is. Americans have been living with joe biden as a public figure for 50 years and thats why he can stand there on a stage and say, ro look at me, do i look like the kind of guy that thinks this is okay and have people believe him. If youre the Trump Campaign and you want to make the argument im the law and order guy, its safer if im the president of the United States. You have to look people in the face and say, and have them think, things will definitely be calmer, the temperature will be reduced, i will feel safer and less on edge if donald trump is president of the United States. And, you know, i would submit to you that a lot of the people in the polls that we showed, the battleground polls, perhaps dont necessarily feel like the next four years will be calmer and more straightforward if President Trump is in the white house. Especially, mika, if he is not discouraging violent activities. If hes encouraging people to go in, in the middle of a hot zone, and rile things up, that obviously causes a serious problem. And thats what americans can see. I think most americans look at portland, kenosha, and they want Law Enforcement to step up and with the guidance of the mayors and the governors to clean things up in those streets and to stop the violence. They do not want the president of the United States having people drive in from other states with caravans to go around and shoot paint guns and spray gas, tear gas or whatever they were spraying at the protesters, and make the situation even more volatile. That is the opposite of being a law and order president and turning off voters. The president may see it as his way of getting voters. It doesnt work. June the 1st didnt work. Sowing chaos doesnt work. Saying when the looting starts the shooting starts doesnt work. Saying i have dogs im going to release and theyre going to cut through you like butter, that doesnt work from a president. How long will it take the president to understand that churning up disorder for a nation already on edge not the answer. How many people will get hurt and killed. What americans want, simple. Coordinate with local officials, ask what you can do, how you can help with the national guard. And if they tell you that you shouldnt come because your presence will be disruptive at this point, you actually listen to them. Its just you know, the same thing happens from time to time with hurricanes where governors will say to president s, mr. President thank you for being interested in this, but can you give us four or five days because were still cleaning up on the ground right now, things are volatile, come four or five days from now, and you know what, president s listen to that and they come later. This president wants to g