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A military base this past week. Here is the u. S. Secretary of defense, mark esper, and his response. Yesterday i directed that we look at our security precautions across the services and all of our installations and bases and facilities to make sure that we get the appropriate degree of security. I also directed that we look ot our vetting procedures within dod for all the many foreign nationals that come for good reason to our country to train. Joining us on set is msnbc analyst colonel jack jacobs. Colonel, thank you for being here. So you have the secretary of defense there, esper, who also said that at this time the shooting is not an act of terrorism. Could that change . Well, yeah, it should change because it is an act of terrorism. Our problem is that we dont want to call it an act of terrorism but all the elements of terrorism are there. Its a subjective evaluation, of course, but im reminded of the observation of Justice Potter stewart, in an opinion he was trying to describe pornography, he said i cant describe it but i know it when i see it. If you take a look at this incident nobody should conclude anything other than its an act of terrorism, kendis. Is there a reason why if he was training at the base why no one there would be able to pick up that he was a potential Security Risk . Yeah, its a very interesting question and a good one. Military people are trained in close proximity with one another, not only that, the chain of command has a responsibility for everything that happens or fails to happen in the unit and theyre very close to all their people. They are n fact, trained to pick up any clues of things like radicalism. Its extremely difficult to envision how his radicalism could have escaped any attention by not only the people who were around him, but his chain of command. Colonel, as you know, we have about id say 5,200 foreign nationals in this country in the u. S. For military training. Give me a sense of what sort of screening process they go through to go to this sort of training . Well, we rely almost entirely on the home countries for vetting these people. We have the capability to vet them ourselves and we do spot check them from time to time, but clearly thats insufficient. The most important thing here is not the vetting, i think, but the fact that he was in this country for almost two years, evidently there was radicalism that was that he developed and, in fact, i think he had on his he tweeted a number of antiamerican things and so on, all this stuff should have been picked up. Yes, the home countries need to do a better job of vetting, yes, we need to do a better job of supervising that vetting. Spot checking that vetting. But we need to do a much better job of keeping our eye on what not just foreign nationals, but also americans are doing in these schools. Its important that leaders do exactly what theyre paid to do and thats to make sure that they keep an eye on their people. Okay. So clearly this person was responsible at least were told for the shooting incident there in pensacola, but there were some other people possibly at that dinner that watched those Mass Shootings the night before and the suspect was right here in new york city just a couple of days prior. Should americans be worried right now . Well, no, i dont think so. We have 325, 330 Million People in this country and the law of large numbers says youre eventually going to have some people do things they are not supposed to do. I think that Law Enforcement does a very good job of keeping an eye on people they ought to keep an eye on. The fact that we have lots and lots of tourists in new york taking pictures all the time should not concern anybody, but what is concerning is that foreign nationals like this man who were under the hut line of scrimmage tutelage of American Leadership they didnt keep a very good eye on them and its our job to make sure theyre doing that. Colonel jacobs, thank you. Appreciate your time this morning. And this morning the other big headline, it is day 76 of the impeachment inquiry and its a furious weekended on capitol hill as final preparations to present the full impeachment case against the president are under way right now with a critical and public hearing slated for tomorrow. Members of the House Judiciary Committee behind closed doors on capitol hill sifting through evidence ahead of mondays hearing, thats when counselors on both sides of the aisle will formally present their impeachment case of the public. The New York Times reporting pulling back the curtain with a look inside the grinding operation, they describe crammed offices, late nights and cold pizza and ongoing rehearsals gearing up for a marathon hearing. Yesterday the House Judiciary Committee released its report previewing potential articles of impeachment but the final decision lies in the hands of speaker nancy pelosi. We have analysis this morning and a number of reports as the impeachment inquiry ratchets up at this hour and the activity heightens, to the white house first and nbcs hans nichols. Whats the latest from your front . Reporter we had that interview from mike pence. The president was previewing this idea that he has talked about in the past and thats in the states that matter the polling is bolstering his case on impeachment, the whole idea that this is a hoax. Now, the president hasnt directly responded to this latest House Judiciary Committee report, thats the one that gives the constitutional grounds for impeachment, but youre starting to see this idea and mike pence said it here just last night on fox, that maybe House Democrats wont have the votes. I know that Speaker Pelosi has announced articles of impeachment but i have to tell you i served in the congress for 12 years and i dont think its a foregone conclusion. Interesting. That the democrats will be able to get the votes to pass articles of impeachment because i hear from people all over the country, the support for this president , the progress that weve made rebuilding our military, reviving this economy. So pence didnt hang his argument on polling like the president sometimes does. Here is the issue with polling, we know that the white house and more importantly the campaign does private polling. Even if thats telling them Something Different in the numbers or giving them cause for optimism you have to temper that because the president even when he looks at public polling sometimes draws different conclusions than most polling experts do. We still dont have a good sense of whats happening in those 31 contradicts the democrats are representing that were carried by donald trump in 2016, so pence may be borne out on this, but there isnt a lot of data right now to support it and it seems more like a theory than a fact. And for many it seems as if its a foregone conclusion that the president will be impeached in the house. Hans nichols for us at the white house. Thank you. Joining me right now is kevin cirilli, the chief washington correspondent for bloomberg news. Kevin, i want you to pick up quickly there where the Vice President left off. Whats he talking about . Well, look, i think whats interesting about what hans said was that there are some more moderate democrats in suburban districts who are going to have to be watching very carefully whats going on with impeachment, kendis. Youre seeing some of those lawmakers actually making public remarks suggesting that they want to wait to see what the articles of impeachment are before theyre brought forward and that really just provides them the wiggle room, so to speak, so that they can say that they have followed this process every which way. In contrast youre also seeing that from some republicans in the senate, people like senators suzanne collins, mitt romney and others who are also saying who are being critical of the president , but also likely not going to vote to convict the president should he be impeached in the house. Its these more moderates in both parties who are having to be a bit more measured in their approach of how they publicly discuss it and vice versa. Lets dig in a little bit more into that New York Times reporting about what exactly is happening behind the scenes, this he describe some long hours, late nights, cold pizza. I like cold pizza. What are you hearing about these marathon sessions . I just spoke with a source last night who told me who works for one of the members of the committee committees that are working on articles of impeachment and they described a similar scene. This has been round the clock hours in which theyve been drafting this. Now, to go inside of these Committee Hearing rooms you have to really put yourselves in their shoes. These democrats who are drafting articles of impeachment every which word of these articles is going to be dissected, analyzed, not just by the media but also by legal professors and picked apart. So they are fully aware of that. As this continues to be moved forward. I would just say just one quick note, which is Speaker Pelosi is ending this process the way that she began it. There was some conversation a couple weeks ago that potentially this impeachment process would be punted into next calendar year from the house perspective, but ultimately they are moving ahead by the end of the holidays. Thats still their working timetable. But there are some unknowns still and that is the continuing resolution which the president has suggested he wants funding over the border wall. So in just a couple of weeks there could be a Government Shutdown with impeachment articles already brought to the floor and a fight over the wall. So politics in washington is about to get incredibly, incredibly volatile. And youre saying that all within the next couple of weeks prior to christmas. Yeah. Possible Government Shutdown, negotiations have to get under way, they have to talk about the former nafta, the usmca. Yeah. And as well as possibly impeach the president. You get a sense that there are negotiations happening behind the scenes for all of those . Yes, you know, and thats a great point. I was on capitol hill last week, kendis, covering secretary mnuchin who was testifying, in addition to covering the impeachment, and in some sense it really is business as usual up on capitol hill for both leaders of both parties, but in contrast i was speaking with sources at the end of the week who said, yeah, but when it gets to impeachment, thats going to suck out all of the oxygen in the room and, again, to bring it back to some of those moderate democrats and republicans who are going to have to go home for the holidays in states like michigan where Elissa Slotkin a democrat from michigan, a former cia analyst who has not said whether or not she will immediately support articles of impeachment, she is a democrat. Theyre going to have to go to those Battle Ground states, michigan, wisconsin, ohio, where you look at the polls and its a much more competitive race for the president against potential 2020 matchups and thats where this gets really fascinating. Rel leave it will can kevin cirilli. Thank you. In north korea that country says it conducted a significant test at a missile site, but theres one big puzzling aspect to that claim. And inside the battle for the president s financial records, why Justice Ruth Bader ginsberg is giving him more time and when the case could actually move forward again. E could actuy move forward again what if numbers tell only half the story . At t. Rowe price, hundreds of our experts go beyond the numbers to examine Investment Opportunities firsthand. Like a biotech firm that engineers a patients own cells to fight cancer. This is strategic investing. Because your investments deserve the full story. T. Rowe price. Invest with confidence. Well, audreys expecting. Twins grandparents we want to put money aside for them, so. Change in plans. Alright, lets see what we can adjust. Wed be closer to the twins. Change in plans. Okay. Mom, are you painting again . You could sell these. Lemme guess, change in plans . At fidelity, a change in plans is always part of the plan. Beyond the routine checkups. . Beyond the notsoroutine cases. Comcast business is helping doctors provide care in whole new ways. All working with a new generation of technologies powered by our gigspeed network. Because beyond technology. There is human ingenuity. Every day, comcast business is helping businesses go beyond the expected. To do the extraordinary. Take your business beyond. Were back with some breaking news from overnight. North korean state tv claims they have successfully conducted, quote, a very important test at a rocket launch site, one that President Trump said was partially closed. This as denuclearization talks between the u. S. And the north begin to sour. President trump spoke to reporters on the south lawn just yesterday about his relationship with the north korean dictator. I have a very Good Relationship with kim jongun. I think we both want to keep it that way. He knows i have an election coming up, i dont think he wants to interfere with that. But we will have to see. And then hours later that announcement from north korea. Nbcs matt bradley is following the developments from london. Matt, what do we know about this socalled test that took place . Reporter yeah, you know, kendis, we dont know much. Weve seen this kind of thing from north korea before and in many ways the political significance and symbolism outweighs the importance of the technology that the North Koreans put on display here. We dont know what kind of technology they put on display here, we dont know what they fired, whether it was a rocket or missile or some kind of projectile, but regardless its still an ominous sign that north korea intends to follow through on a threat that it called a christmas gift. That it intends to deliver, of course, at christmas, around the end of the year, and experts worry that that could be a threat of launching a new kind for an updated kind of intercontinental ballistic missile. Thats one of the primary fears that we have with the North Koreans. The North Koreans have set a deadline for the end of this year for the u. S. To offer what it calls significant concessions for those punishing sanctions that the u. S. Has imposed on north korea. The North Koreans have always said they dont want to denuclearize unilaterally, they have to release the sanctions. After new years pyongyang has said that it could resume its normal activity, that could mean more nuclear tests, more intercontinental ballistic tests after about a year in which it tested no nuclear arms. So far the u. S. Hasnt offered much beyond more glad handing diplomacy and there has been some unprecedented if only symbolic diplomatic steps under President Trump. So amidst all that kim has ramped up the provocations, launching more missile tests and seems to be betting that the u. S. President is going to be particularly pliable at this moment because of upcoming u. S. Elections. So the president had clearly been hoping that he could use north korea as his only major Foreign Policy achievement going into this incoming election campaign, now with this odd couple breaking down kendis it doesnt look like the president has much to offer at all when it comes to north korea or anything in the way of major Foreign Policy achievements before this election. Kendis. Relationships are complicated, whether they are a facebook one or one with a dictator. Even if he does happen to launch an icbm by christmas, do we have any sense of what that would do diplomatically between the relations between the u. S. And north korea . Reporter its basically a selfimposed moratorium on launching nuclear weapons. Got it. The icbm is part of that. It would put the relationship on more. Kids than it is now, but its unclear if it would deteriorate so much more because the u. S. Has been begging and begging for the last year to have more denuclearization talks with the North Koreans and the North Koreans have refused the entire time. Its not really clear that this relationship could sink any further than it already has, so i dont really see how a new test would necessarily damage relationships between pyongyang and washington any more than they are already damaged. Matt bradley joining us from london. Appreciate it. The president has a lot of issues and a number of different fronts but he got this, the Supreme Court hats temporarily blocked a ruling for eight years of trumps financial documents from Deutsche Bank and capital one. This comes after the president asked judge Ruth Bader Ginsberg to consider her emergency request and she said yes. Joining me now is katie phang and glenn kirschner. Welcome to both of you. Lucky to have you here with me on this sunday morning. Katie, how big of a win was this for the president s legal team . It was a temporary stay, so he has he being donald trump has until next friday, december 13th, to be able to see whether or not hes going to file what we expect it going to be a petition to the Supreme Court like he has filed other petitions to be able to stop the release of his financial returns. Kendis, this is not the only case that donald trump has been deal with these days in terms of the release of his financial records. Inclusive of his tax records. We know that mazars which has done his personal and corporate taxes has received a subpoena. This particular subpoena that was at issue, there were two, it dealt with Deutsche Bank which that name has been tossed around in the news lately a lot because they are the only Justice Potter<\/a> stewart, in an opinion he was trying to describe pornography, he said i cant describe it but i know it when i see it. If you take a look at this incident nobody should conclude anything other than its an act of terrorism, kendis. Is there a reason why if he was training at the base why no one there would be able to pick up that he was a potential Security Risk<\/a> . Yeah, its a very interesting question and a good one. Military people are trained in close proximity with one another, not only that, the chain of command has a responsibility for everything that happens or fails to happen in the unit and theyre very close to all their people. They are n fact, trained to pick up any clues of things like radicalism. Its extremely difficult to envision how his radicalism could have escaped any attention by not only the people who were around him, but his chain of command. Colonel, as you know, we have about id say 5,200 foreign nationals in this country in the u. S. For military training. Give me a sense of what sort of screening process they go through to go to this sort of training . Well, we rely almost entirely on the home countries for vetting these people. We have the capability to vet them ourselves and we do spot check them from time to time, but clearly thats insufficient. The most important thing here is not the vetting, i think, but the fact that he was in this country for almost two years, evidently there was radicalism that was that he developed and, in fact, i think he had on his he tweeted a number of antiamerican things and so on, all this stuff should have been picked up. Yes, the home countries need to do a better job of vetting, yes, we need to do a better job of supervising that vetting. Spot checking that vetting. But we need to do a much better job of keeping our eye on what not just foreign nationals, but also americans are doing in these schools. Its important that leaders do exactly what theyre paid to do and thats to make sure that they keep an eye on their people. Okay. So clearly this person was responsible at least were told for the shooting incident there in pensacola, but there were some other people possibly at that dinner that watched those Mass Shootings<\/a> the night before and the suspect was right here in new york city just a couple of days prior. Should americans be worried right now . Well, no, i dont think so. We have 325, 330 Million People<\/a> in this country and the law of large numbers says youre eventually going to have some people do things they are not supposed to do. I think that Law Enforcement<\/a> does a very good job of keeping an eye on people they ought to keep an eye on. The fact that we have lots and lots of tourists in new york taking pictures all the time should not concern anybody, but what is concerning is that foreign nationals like this man who were under the hut line of scrimmage tutelage of American Leadership<\/a> they didnt keep a very good eye on them and its our job to make sure theyre doing that. Colonel jacobs, thank you. Appreciate your time this morning. And this morning the other big headline, it is day 76 of the impeachment inquiry and its a furious weekended on capitol hill as final preparations to present the full impeachment case against the president are under way right now with a critical and public hearing slated for tomorrow. Members of the House Judiciary Committee<\/a> behind closed doors on capitol hill sifting through evidence ahead of mondays hearing, thats when counselors on both sides of the aisle will formally present their impeachment case of the public. The New York Times<\/a> reporting pulling back the curtain with a look inside the grinding operation, they describe crammed offices, late nights and cold pizza and ongoing rehearsals gearing up for a marathon hearing. Yesterday the House Judiciary Committee<\/a> released its report previewing potential articles of impeachment but the final decision lies in the hands of speaker nancy pelosi. We have analysis this morning and a number of reports as the impeachment inquiry ratchets up at this hour and the activity heightens, to the white house first and nbcs hans nichols. Whats the latest from your front . Reporter we had that interview from mike pence. The president was previewing this idea that he has talked about in the past and thats in the states that matter the polling is bolstering his case on impeachment, the whole idea that this is a hoax. Now, the president hasnt directly responded to this latest House Judiciary Committee<\/a> report, thats the one that gives the constitutional grounds for impeachment, but youre starting to see this idea and mike pence said it here just last night on fox, that maybe House Democrats<\/a> wont have the votes. I know that Speaker Pelosi<\/a> has announced articles of impeachment but i have to tell you i served in the congress for 12 years and i dont think its a foregone conclusion. Interesting. That the democrats will be able to get the votes to pass articles of impeachment because i hear from people all over the country, the support for this president , the progress that weve made rebuilding our military, reviving this economy. So pence didnt hang his argument on polling like the president sometimes does. Here is the issue with polling, we know that the white house and more importantly the campaign does private polling. Even if thats telling them Something Different<\/a> in the numbers or giving them cause for optimism you have to temper that because the president even when he looks at public polling sometimes draws different conclusions than most polling experts do. We still dont have a good sense of whats happening in those 31 contradicts the democrats are representing that were carried by donald trump in 2016, so pence may be borne out on this, but there isnt a lot of data right now to support it and it seems more like a theory than a fact. And for many it seems as if its a foregone conclusion that the president will be impeached in the house. Hans nichols for us at the white house. Thank you. Joining me right now is kevin cirilli, the chief washington correspondent for bloomberg news. Kevin, i want you to pick up quickly there where the Vice President<\/a> left off. Whats he talking about . Well, look, i think whats interesting about what hans said was that there are some more moderate democrats in suburban districts who are going to have to be watching very carefully whats going on with impeachment, kendis. Youre seeing some of those lawmakers actually making public remarks suggesting that they want to wait to see what the articles of impeachment are before theyre brought forward and that really just provides them the wiggle room, so to speak, so that they can say that they have followed this process every which way. In contrast youre also seeing that from some republicans in the senate, people like senators suzanne collins, mitt romney and others who are also saying who are being critical of the president , but also likely not going to vote to convict the president should he be impeached in the house. Its these more moderates in both parties who are having to be a bit more measured in their approach of how they publicly discuss it and vice versa. Lets dig in a little bit more into that New York Times<\/a> reporting about what exactly is happening behind the scenes, this he describe some long hours, late nights, cold pizza. I like cold pizza. What are you hearing about these marathon sessions . I just spoke with a source last night who told me who works for one of the members of the committee committees that are working on articles of impeachment and they described a similar scene. This has been round the clock hours in which theyve been drafting this. Now, to go inside of these Committee Hearing<\/a> rooms you have to really put yourselves in their shoes. These democrats who are drafting articles of impeachment every which word of these articles is going to be dissected, analyzed, not just by the media but also by legal professors and picked apart. So they are fully aware of that. As this continues to be moved forward. I would just say just one quick note, which is Speaker Pelosi<\/a> is ending this process the way that she began it. There was some conversation a couple weeks ago that potentially this impeachment process would be punted into next calendar year from the house perspective, but ultimately they are moving ahead by the end of the holidays. Thats still their working timetable. But there are some unknowns still and that is the continuing resolution which the president has suggested he wants funding over the border wall. So in just a couple of weeks there could be a Government Shutdown<\/a> with impeachment articles already brought to the floor and a fight over the wall. So politics in washington is about to get incredibly, incredibly volatile. And youre saying that all within the next couple of weeks prior to christmas. Yeah. Possible Government Shutdown<\/a>, negotiations have to get under way, they have to talk about the former nafta, the usmca. Yeah. And as well as possibly impeach the president. You get a sense that there are negotiations happening behind the scenes for all of those . Yes, you know, and thats a great point. I was on capitol hill last week, kendis, covering secretary mnuchin who was testifying, in addition to covering the impeachment, and in some sense it really is business as usual up on capitol hill for both leaders of both parties, but in contrast i was speaking with sources at the end of the week who said, yeah, but when it gets to impeachment, thats going to suck out all of the oxygen in the room and, again, to bring it back to some of those moderate democrats and republicans who are going to have to go home for the holidays in states like michigan where Elissa Slotkin<\/a> a democrat from michigan, a former cia analyst who has not said whether or not she will immediately support articles of impeachment, she is a democrat. Theyre going to have to go to those Battle Ground<\/a> states, michigan, wisconsin, ohio, where you look at the polls and its a much more competitive race for the president against potential 2020 matchups and thats where this gets really fascinating. Rel leave it will can kevin cirilli. Thank you. In north korea that country says it conducted a significant test at a missile site, but theres one big puzzling aspect to that claim. And inside the battle for the president s financial records, why Justice Ruth Bader<\/a> ginsberg is giving him more time and when the case could actually move forward again. E could actuy move forward again what if numbers tell only half the story . At t. Rowe price, hundreds of our experts go beyond the numbers to examine Investment Opportunities<\/a> firsthand. Like a biotech firm that engineers a patients own cells to fight cancer. This is strategic investing. Because your investments deserve the full story. T. Rowe price. Invest with confidence. Well, audreys expecting. Twins grandparents we want to put money aside for them, so. Change in plans. Alright, lets see what we can adjust. Wed be closer to the twins. Change in plans. Okay. Mom, are you painting again . You could sell these. Lemme guess, change in plans . At fidelity, a change in plans is always part of the plan. Beyond the routine checkups. . Beyond the notsoroutine cases. Comcast business is helping doctors provide care in whole new ways. All working with a new generation of technologies powered by our gigspeed network. Because beyond technology. There is human ingenuity. Every day, comcast business is helping businesses go beyond the expected. To do the extraordinary. Take your business beyond. Were back with some breaking news from overnight. North korean state tv claims they have successfully conducted, quote, a very important test at a rocket launch site, one that President Trump<\/a> said was partially closed. This as denuclearization talks between the u. S. And the north begin to sour. President trump spoke to reporters on the south lawn just yesterday about his relationship with the north korean dictator. I have a very Good Relationship<\/a> with kim jongun. I think we both want to keep it that way. He knows i have an election coming up, i dont think he wants to interfere with that. But we will have to see. And then hours later that announcement from north korea. Nbcs matt bradley is following the developments from london. Matt, what do we know about this socalled test that took place . Reporter yeah, you know, kendis, we dont know much. Weve seen this kind of thing from north korea before and in many ways the political significance and symbolism outweighs the importance of the technology that the North Koreans<\/a> put on display here. We dont know what kind of technology they put on display here, we dont know what they fired, whether it was a rocket or missile or some kind of projectile, but regardless its still an ominous sign that north korea intends to follow through on a threat that it called a christmas gift. That it intends to deliver, of course, at christmas, around the end of the year, and experts worry that that could be a threat of launching a new kind for an updated kind of intercontinental ballistic missile. Thats one of the primary fears that we have with the North Koreans<\/a>. The North Koreans<\/a> have set a deadline for the end of this year for the u. S. To offer what it calls significant concessions for those punishing sanctions that the u. S. Has imposed on north korea. The North Koreans<\/a> have always said they dont want to denuclearize unilaterally, they have to release the sanctions. After new years pyongyang has said that it could resume its normal activity, that could mean more nuclear tests, more intercontinental ballistic tests after about a year in which it tested no nuclear arms. So far the u. S. Hasnt offered much beyond more glad handing diplomacy and there has been some unprecedented if only symbolic diplomatic steps under President Trump<\/a>. So amidst all that kim has ramped up the provocations, launching more missile tests and seems to be betting that the u. S. President is going to be particularly pliable at this moment because of upcoming u. S. Elections. So the president had clearly been hoping that he could use north korea as his only major Foreign Policy<\/a> achievement going into this incoming election campaign, now with this odd couple breaking down kendis it doesnt look like the president has much to offer at all when it comes to north korea or anything in the way of major Foreign Policy<\/a> achievements before this election. Kendis. Relationships are complicated, whether they are a facebook one or one with a dictator. Even if he does happen to launch an icbm by christmas, do we have any sense of what that would do diplomatically between the relations between the u. S. And north korea . Reporter its basically a selfimposed moratorium on launching nuclear weapons. Got it. The icbm is part of that. It would put the relationship on more. Kids than it is now, but its unclear if it would deteriorate so much more because the u. S. Has been begging and begging for the last year to have more denuclearization talks with the North Koreans<\/a> and the North Koreans<\/a> have refused the entire time. Its not really clear that this relationship could sink any further than it already has, so i dont really see how a new test would necessarily damage relationships between pyongyang and washington any more than they are already damaged. Matt bradley joining us from london. Appreciate it. The president has a lot of issues and a number of different fronts but he got this, the Supreme Court<\/a> hats temporarily blocked a ruling for eight years of trumps financial documents from Deutsche Bank<\/a> and capital one. This comes after the president asked judge Ruth Bader Ginsberg<\/a> to consider her emergency request and she said yes. Joining me now is katie phang and glenn kirschner. Welcome to both of you. Lucky to have you here with me on this sunday morning. Katie, how big of a win was this for the president s legal team . It was a temporary stay, so he has he being donald trump has until next friday, december 13th, to be able to see whether or not hes going to file what we expect it going to be a petition to the Supreme Court<\/a> like he has filed other petitions to be able to stop the release of his financial returns. Kendis, this is not the only case that donald trump has been deal with these days in terms of the release of his financial records. Inclusive of his tax records. We know that mazars which has done his personal and corporate taxes has received a subpoena. This particular subpoena that was at issue, there were two, it dealt with Deutsche Bank<\/a> which that name has been tossed around in the news lately a lot because they are the only Major Financial Institution<\/a> that continued to lend millions upon millions of dollars to donald trump when other people said he was too much of a financial risk. Capital one also got that same subpoena. Donald trump that is a little bit of a high bar, you have to get four Supreme Court<\/a> justices to agree to hear this case, but i would reasonably anticipate and predict that the Supreme Court<\/a> will take at least one of these cases if not consolidate all of them to see whether or not it is completely okay to be able to order the release of these records. So you dont imagine that they will take all of them or you think they will consolidate them . I think it makes sense to consolidate them because the issues are similar, however, there are distinct differences that would prevent them from doing it, as long as there is a valid legislative purpose then it is okay to subpoena these records. In a case like this is it a routine move that you have justice begins burring who is a liberal judge who has criticized the president in the past what, do you believe her thinking was behind that stay . So her thinking, kendis, likely was that this is just an administrative matter. A quick breakdown of the federal courts, there are 11 federal Circuit Court<\/a>s and the 12th is the district of columbia, the d. C. Federal Circuit Court<\/a> and the justices each have Supervisor Authority<\/a> for administrative purposes over federal circuits with some justices picking up two, justice alito, sotomayor and roberts each supervise a couple of the federal circuits. It happens to be that Justice Ginsberg<\/a> oversees really for administrative purposes the second Circuit Court<\/a> of appeals and thats where this case is coming up from. Its important to go back to the second Circuit Court<\/a> of appeals opinion in this case because what they said about this litigation and i will quote, they said, quote, there is a clear and substantial public interest, closed quote, in the people seeing the financial documents and information sought by these congressional subpoenas from Deutsche Bank<\/a> and capitol hill one. When we think about the fact that Deutsche Bank<\/a> loaned 2 billion to President Trump<\/a> or to then donald trump or candidate trump, that doesnt make President Trump<\/a> a billionaire, what it does is it puts him deeply in debt. I think when we finally see these financials, and we will, were going to see that donald trump is not a billionaire. He may not even be a millionaire. At the end of the day when we see these and you see his assets as compared to his debts, he may be lucky if he is a thousandaire. You are of the mindset that the Supreme Court<\/a> will take up these subpoenas, right . Yes. And cases. So come june based on the law and what you are your reading of the law, starting with you, katie, do you get the sense that someone will have their hands on Donald Trumps<\/a> financial records who isnt donald trump or any of his attorneys . Yeah, and certainly in advance of any type of election next year. June is the end and conclusion of the Supreme Court<\/a> term that they are currently sitting in. We will get some type of result. I do think glenn is right to focus on that second Circuit Court<\/a> of appeal opinion because you have to consider this, not only did the trial courts say he had to turn them over but the Appellate Court<\/a> said he had to turn it over and the Supreme Court<\/a> has to say they got it all wrong and i would be shocked if they did that. Glen . Im with katie. I think the smart money is the Supreme Court<\/a> is going to want to weigh on this because it is a weighty issue and involves a sitting president s financial matters but at the end of the day on the merits there is absolutely no legal reason to block these congressional subpoenas so i think ultimately the American People<\/a> will see this information. And who is the deciding vote . Maybe kavanaugh. Maybe kavanaugh earned his keep. Who knows. Interesting. I think it may be close to unanimous. Interesting. All right. We will leave it there. Glenn kirschner, katie phang, thank you guys. 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Tens of thousands taking to the streets demanding the right to choose their own government and as the night falls on the march protesters are preparing for a possible showdown with the police. Janis Mackey Frayer<\/a> is joining us right now from hong kong. This has been going on for some six months, they had success with elections a couple weeks ago and people thought things would die down. It doesnt appear to be the c e case. Reporter well, there has been a real shift is in the mood here in the last 30 minutes or so. Protest organizers announced they had some 800,000 people out on the street, those are their numbers, police are saying tens of thousands. Regardless all day long all sides have been appealing for this day to be a peaceful one, however, as the evening set in we saw the black clad protesters preparing for confrontation with police, setting their barricades, getting their weapons ready and now after an appeal from organizers to please disburse as soon as possible we see people Walking Around<\/a> and peeling away. A lot of people appear to be leaving, heading toward the major thoroughfare over here. The police are still at this end of the street, there are a number of police vans, they prepared their front line, but they had also raised the warning flags that it was time for people to leave. There was an all ages crowd today, kendis, it was reminis reminiscent of those big one and two Million People<\/a> marches that we saw back in june. That was the intent to try to harness the momentum of the landslide victory of prodemocracy candidates here just a couple weeks ago. That was for District Council<\/a> elections. These are not powerful positions but it did send the signal that there was still broadbased support for the protest movement here. The challenge, of course, is that carrie lam, the chief executive, has made no new concessions to protesters and so six months into this movement there is still no clear picture of when or how this unrest will end. Kendis . But it does continue. Just a sea of people if you have seen any of the drone footage from hong kong today, a lot of people out there, nearly a million. Janis Mackey Frayer<\/a> in hong kong for us, thank you. Back at home turning to the impeachment inquiry and the Judiciary Committee<\/a> members are putting in a lot of hours this weekend to prepare for the next hearing tomorrow. In a new report they have outlined what could be a legal rationale for drafting those articles of impeachment. Joining me now democratic congressman Gregory Meeks<\/a> who represent the Greater New York<\/a> area. What do you expect to come out of tomorrows hearings . Well, i think that you are going to see that the intelligence committees report to the Judiciary Committee<\/a> as to the testimony and the witnesses and what they believe shows that the president violated his trust, abused his power as president of the United States<\/a>. As they are still working toward determining what, if any, articles of impeachment should be going forward. So the first round of the impeachment hearings i would say kind of sounded like a criminal trial with witnesses there. The second round you had the professors, it was a civics lesson. Tomorrow will be what . Tomorrow is the trying to formulate the language and what actually would be if youre talking about, for example, if it was a criminal court, what the indictment will actually say. Okay. So youre going to get the drafting of the indictment is what i think were looking forward to, moving forward to, tomorrow with the Judiciary Committee<\/a> and what youre hearing is that they are listening to everyone. This is why the door has been opened for the president to participate because they want to hear from everyone. The president said he wanted to participate. Here is his opportunity to put forward witnesses, to have his attorneys there. Hes turned that down because he really did not want that. Hes just trying to avoid the process and continue to obstruct and abuse his power. Okay. So you were a part of writing the indictment or as the case would be the articles of impeachment so far based on what you know, what youve seen, what youve read what would those articles include . Well, it seems to me and, you know, im not writing it, the Judiciary Committee<\/a> is, but from the evidence that ive heard being a part of the committees that were listening to the witnesses that testified it seems clearly that he obstructed the Congress Investigation<\/a> without question to that. Clearly he abused his power. He withheld money to our ally ukraine for his own personal utilization, trying to get individuals to do dirt for him to impede the 2020 elections. From all of the testimony that weve had from very credible witnesses, these are witnesses who are from the state department, from our intelligence agencies and our military, who are patriots, who, you know, put their lives on the line on a continuous bases, who, you know, their credibility is impeachable is nonimpeachable, you know, they are just its nonimpeachable. We have heard nothing from the other side in regards to refuting that, other than Mick Mulvaney<\/a> saying get over it, other than the president admitting that he did it, other than, you know, youve heard from ambassador sutter who is an appointee of the president saying there was a quid pro quo. So the witnesses that have decided they were not going to listen to the president and were going to testify anyway, they all seem to be clear that the president abused his power, that he withheld the money in a quid pro quo deal and that he did not uphold the constitution of the United States<\/a> of america and, therefore, there are impeachable items. So it sounds like you would be drafting these four right there, obstruction, abuse of power, the quid pro quo, bribery and im sure those are being considered. Okay. Public opinion, though, has been considering all of it and hasnt really moved much from prior to the start of the impeachment hearing and you can see there should President Trump<\/a> be removed from office if he is impeached, 47 in favor. Are these the sort of numbers that you want to see or do you need to see those go up . Look, first for me we have a job to do, im going to make an assessment of the evidence and then you vote on that. Secondly i hear about these numbers, et cetera, if you look at it in a Historical Context<\/a> those numbers are substantially higher than it was for the impeachment for richard m. Nixon and extremely higher than it was for 29 for bill clinton. So this is actually an extraordinarily high number which shows where the American People<\/a> are. Unfortunately what is happening is you have a number of my republican colleagues who dont want to hear the truth and dont want to listen to anything as Lindsey Graham<\/a> has said i dont want to listen to it, you know, so, therefore, theyre playing partisan politics as opposed to being patriots to our constitution. All right. Busy couple weeks ahead, congressman, thank you for being here. Good being with you. Appreciate it. Up next, why aoc is now saying she was proven right about amazon in new york. And shes waiting on those socalled haters to apologize. [farmers bell] burke at farmers insurance, weve seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. Even a threering fender bender. clown 1 sorry about that. clown 2 apologies. clown 1 . Didnt mean it. clown 3 whoops. stilts sorry clowns were sorry scary hey, were sorry [man screams] [scary screams] burke quite the circus. But we covered it. At farmers, we know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. 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We will also hear from a democratic candidate who has not qualified for the next debate in los angeles, Julian Castro<\/a> has been critical of the dncs rules for qualifying for the debate. Hes arguing the field of candidates who will be on that stage is not reflective of who the Democratic Party<\/a> is. Hes making the case for big changes, also highlighting problems with polling and coverage. We will dig into all of that with him this morning on up. And of course that deed line is coming up on wednesday, i believe, for many of these candidates to qualify. David gura, enjoy the next 20 minutes. Now to some business news, progressive leaders celebrating after amazon announced plans to bring hundreds of workers to new york city, it comes less than a year after amazon scrapped plans to build a new headquarters in Long Island City<\/a> queens, an expansion that would have come with billions of dollars in tax breaks and subsidies. New york congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez was a major critic of the original plan and tweeted, amazon is coming to new york city anyway without requiring the public to finance shady deals, hel ipad handouts for jeff bezos and corporate give a ways. So shes waiting for her apology. Yahoo finance reporter Sibile Marcellus<\/a> joins me and also with me is congressman Gregory Meeks<\/a> who represents queens as well. Congressman, quickly, your colleague there, aoc, says shes waiting for her apology. Will you apologize for well, no, actually i think that shes wrong when you talk about a couple thousand jobs as opposed to 25,000 to 30,000 jobs, you are talking about jobs that are low salary as opposed to jobs that were going to be six figures or more, you are talking about the loss of opportunity for many of our universities and schools to have opportunities to improve. You talk about people in Public Housing<\/a> who would have had an opportunity to make sure they would qualify for some of those jobs. Its not the same thing. Its apples and oranges. The investment from what we were looking at with the 3 billion investment, the return would have been closer to 30, 40 billion dollars. So just looking at the return on investment just shows you that it just did not add up. So youre still a little salty that this went away from last year. Yeah, and the fact that it went now to manhattan, we lose out in queens, im a queensite so i want it for queens. I understand. Sibile, bringing you into this conversation. Why were there so many leaders like aoc and Bernie Sanders<\/a> so opposed to amazon building its next headquarters in the city . Because here is the thing, amazon is one of the largest ecommerce countries in the country, its already hit the 1 trillion market value. Now, it does fluctuate, but it hit that highmark. So what you have aoc, alexandria ocasiocortez and Bernie Sanders<\/a> says is that amazon doesnt need 3 billion in tax breaks and incentives and thats what amazon was negotiating with local and state leaders in order to move a headquarters and actually establish it in new york city. So thats the biggest issue. So now you have aoc and Bernie Sanders<\/a> saying, were vindicated because, look, amazon still wanted the talent, the deep bench of talent in new york city, theyre still coming but now new york city taxpayers arent paying for t Bernie Sanders<\/a> is saying that theyre not going to be getting corporate welfare. Why do we actually need Bernie Sanders<\/a> and aoc, who doesnt represent that particular district, getting into the local affairs of new york city and that district . Any idea . I know that if you look at the congresswoman who represents the area, if you look at the assemblywoman that represents the area, if you look at the people in Public Housing<\/a> ive talked to and the pastors there theyre all for they were for amazon moving in and wanted to make a difference. So i think that if you listen to every day people they think they missed out. Okay. All right. Sibile, facebook and google have also announced plans to add thousands of employees to new york city in the next few months. Is this a major sign that the major urban areas pool of workers is enough to attract Tech Companies<\/a> here without the massive tax breaks and subsidies . Yes, its definitely a very positive sign for new york city. Weve seen Silicon Valley<\/a> have a lot of success with big tech. New york city was kind of missing out, but now were seeing they all want a bite of the big apple, too, and thats because new york city has some of the toughest workers, theyre super competitive and Silicon Valley<\/a> wants some of that talent. So facebook, they recently signed a lease for more than 1. 5 million square feet and also google were seeing theyre willing to hire thousands of workers in new york city. And, sibile, quickly, i note we have the brandnew jobs report out yesterday and that was fairly or two days ago that was fairly positive. Whats the state of the economy right now . You know, there were some warning flags a little while ago, how is it looking . Yeah, so the economy is doing very well. So we had a blockbuster jobs report, thats how wall street saw t and we saw the s p 500 erase all or some of their losses this week on news of that. So, yes, the economy is doing very well. All right. Sibile marcellus and congressman meeks, thank you both. Appreciate it. 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In america, the zip code youre born in can determine your future. But no matter what neighborhood you grow up in, the y creates opportunities for all. For a better us, donate to your local y today. We are back in 2020 land. Growing concern among democratic president ial hopefuls on the lack of diversity on the next debate stage. Its a damn shame now that the only africanamerican woman in this race who has been speaking to issues that need to be brought up is now no longer in it. What we are staring at is a dnc debate stage in a few days with no people of color on it. It does not reflect the diversity of our party or our country. And we need to do better than that. This 2020 election will have more billionaires than black people. It allows billionaires to be on that stage and not people that have legitimate chances to win the nomination. With me now is reporter for the hill. Julia, good morning. Good morning. The reaction to what you heard right there from senator booker and castro, are these valid concerns . Theyre absolutely valid concerns within the Democratic Party<\/a> right now. You are seeing that the person running for this democratic nomination is essentially running to succeed the first africanamerican president is running to be the first nominee after Hillary Clinton<\/a> running to be the first nominee of the ticket. I think there are valid concerns of the Democratic Party<\/a> because they are trying to portray themselves as a big tent party. But you are seeing white male billionaires, tom steyer or Mike Bloomberg<\/a>, come into the race. They are essentially buying their way into the race. Other candidates like Kamala Harris<\/a>, cory booker, are dropping out because they dont have the resources. They are saying because of that, you know, youre not getting as much diversity on the stage. Its a little ironic that the Democratic Party<\/a> is trying to portray themselves as diverse but their debate stage right now is very white and very wealthy. We should mention cory booker has benefited slightly since Kamala Harris<\/a> dropped out. Yes. A Million Dollars<\/a> in the days following. Six candidates have qualified for the december 19th debate so far, all of whom are white. Whats the dncs perspective on all of this right now . The dnc is very much trying to narrow the field. This has been the largest primary field. They can really come up with a strategy. And i think they are Standing Firm<\/a> on those qualifications and such. And i think, you know, their reasoning in all of this is, you know, to be able to unite the party behind one figure. However, they are certainly being asked these questions and coming under pressure because of their need to kind of paint themselves as such a big tent diverse party. All right. Lets talk about Michael Bloomberg<\/a>. The numbers are impressive. Washington post piece broke down how much the candidate and bloombergs personal weight came by in his campaign for president writing after two weeks in the president ial race, phraobg beblw employs one of the Largest Campaign<\/a> staff rosters has spent more money. This is the question were all asking. This is primary politics experiment that Michael Bloomberg<\/a> is running right now. Over thanksgiving break, i saw countless number of ads here in washington, d. C. And here on twitter and people who have gone home to their states that happen to be super tuesday states. Bloomberg is focusing on florida, iowa, new york, the more southern states. I think you are seeing in a lot of polling Michael Bloomberg<\/a> is doing quite well. Quinnipiac poll last month showed him polling at 5 . He was tied with Kamala Harris<\/a> with that same poll. While he has very good name recognition, a lot of this is attributed to his money. A whole lot of money. Many expecting him to spend 500 million by the time the Iowa Caucuses<\/a> come around. Julia manchester, thank you. Thank you. Ahead on up with david gura, a president ial candidate we were talking about on the lack of diversity in the 2020 democratic field. at chevy, were all about bringing families together. This time of year, thats really important. So were making it easier than ever to become part of our family. Man thats why our chevy employee discount is now available to everyone. The chevy price you pay is what we pay. Not a cent more. Family is important to us. And wed like you to be part of ours. So happy holidays. And welcome to the family. The chevy family get the chevy employee discount for everyone today. Yeah. Only pay for what you need with Liberty Mutual<\/a>. Only pay for what you need with Liberty Mutual<\/a>. Con Liberty Mutual<\/a> solo pagas lo que necesitas. Only pay for what you need. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. 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