People with the policy, then cleric living in the u. S. And youre not going to have a deliver him back to turkey for democracy. You are not checking out of the process because you didnt millions of dollars. Was it a quid pro quo . Like the outcome of the election. Well start with roy moore no way. Im all in. Me too. And that controversy surrounding im all in. Yeah. Him. Today republicans in d. C. And they really are all in, katyy alabama are demanding whether and the take aconvey i got from allegations in the washington this was they were saying they post of molestation against the have to turn anger and Alabama Senate frontrunner are disappointment into action and never take anything for granted a disqualifier for public again when it comes to politics. Office . Senator mike lee of utah endorsed moore in the primary. No doubt about that. Thank you very much. Good to see you as always. Today nbc news has confirmed he and lets bring in robert draper, a contributing writer has asked Moores Campaign to for the New York Times remove him from all fundraising magazine who wrote about the pitches. Post obama democratic party. A number of republicans say moore must go if, if, if, if the so the democrats, did they allegations are true. Become too obama centric . However, only a few say the i mean, and fail to plan and allegations in and of themselves are enough to warrant moore predict for its future . Yeah. Stepping down. Katy, i think a couple of nbc news has not verified the accusations. Things. First, as scott peters, a also the women who allege the congressman from california told sexual encounter did not the me, i think we got a little bit woman who alleges the one sexual lazy, a little bit reliant on this car i see matic figure at the top of the party ticket and encounter did not file a Police People in the meantime sort of report and has not filed a civil lost touch of who the democratic suit. The campaign issued a statement party was. A lot of the party institution that attacks the allegations. Interestingly, though, the campaign does not in itself deny sort of suffered under the obama the allegations. Presidency in no small measure instead, it quotes moores due to the fact that incompetent president obama never really saw himself as a party creature, a denial without embracing it. Creature of the democratic party, built institution that quote, this garbage is fake news were parallel to the dnc and the and intentional defamation. Moore called the allegations by d. C. Ccc that served his interest, but not necessarily the post completely false and those of the democrats down ballot. So, yeah, i think theyve got a a desperate political attack. Reports and analyses from alabama and washington. Bit of an identity crisis, but having said that, they had an lets start, though, with nbcs identity crisis throughout obama Gabe Gutierrez in alabama. Tenure. Down the ballot Something Like i understand moore is still 1,100 state legislature seats expected to go to a veterans day were lost. Theres only 15 gofrsz who were function tomorrow. Are people in alabama embracing democrats. Him still or are they finding they dont have majority in either the house or the senate. This to be a little too much . Sa, yeah, theyve got their work cut out for them. There are lots of new i think hi, katy, good afternoon. Lingers, new rumors, whispers the people we spoke to here in out there about joe buy did he know potentially seeking another potential nomination. Hes run before in 1998 and in are sticking by him. They do not believe the 2008. He too wide with it again in allegations. They think this is a political witch hunt and they dont have the dont think highly of the 2016. What do you think of him running in 2020 . National media and the is that the best democrats can do right now . Washington post, so theyre choosing simply not to believe i dont think so. The allegations. I think Vice President buy did the courthouse is where the main he knows up sides are his down accuser told the washington sides, that he has a lot of post she met roy moore almost sperchts but also were all too familiar with him. 40 years ago. That hes very comfortable on today msnbc spoke with the former Campaign Chair for the stump but also ray bit undisciplined, tends to go on and on isnt that going to be a alabama, mr. Hooper. Benefit for him, though, heres what he had to say in considering who he may go response to these allegations. Against. Donald trump is not disciplined, but everybody called that i do not believe the women. Authentic. Up to a point thats right. But its one thing to sort of say whatever is on your mind and be cavalier and another thing to i dont know exactly because say in 50 minutes what you i saw the same thing, sam should be able to confine to 20 minutes. Accusations made when president ver bossty has been vice trump was running. President buy dens weakness i dont like to see it. More than anything else. When i talk to democrats theyre i think its false, but one way to get down to it is just of the belief theres no uniformty on who should be the candidate and of course its require them to take a polygraph early yet, but to the extent test. That there is uniformty, its we should find someone outside the reporter now, theres been a series of gop officials that box. Do you think it should be have been quoted over the last somebody cleatel different. Yeah. Several hours standing by roy it can be someone who has no moore. Experience in politics. That now is the template that President Trump has provided us marin county share david hall with. Said other than being with an it could be a howard schultz, underage person, he didnt the coo of starbucks. Really force himself, unquote. Zuckerberg, someone from the military or it could be not someone there are about a dozen at least, maybe fort or so state auditor, take joseph and Democratic Senators who would love to run, but it may well be mary, mary was a teenager and someone from the Lower Chamber joseph was a carpenter and they like seth monthly den or tell usy gab barred. So i think its wide open at became parents of jesus. This point. But my suspicion just based on state auditor says humphrey the zbliet gooigs of the country is its going to be somebody bogart and lauren bacall, she was a teenager they finally got knew, somebody with whom were married. Not all familiar. I think its going to be so interesting when we look back and you cant be a victim 40 after the election in 2020 and years later n my opinion. Look back at these conversation and see what in the world we katy, certainly some very were thinking three years out. Questionable quotes there from robert draper, thank you very some gop officials. Much. Appreciate your time. Again, this is something that sure. And tune in today this monday for an exclusive morning show event with, you guessed it, vice people here in gadsen, alabama, president jie buy did he know. Thats beginning at 7 00 a. M. Support him. Eastern. Some weve spoken to offcamera say they dont see the issue with an older mandating a younger woman. That happens here. I tell them, this was a 14yearold, according to the allegations. They fall back on it saying they dont believe it. A 14yearold is not a woman, shes a girl. Lauren bacall was 19 when they met. Still young but not 14 years old. So thats the idea. What do you think . Reporter absolutely. And the age of consent an accused pedophile than a hate to play devils advocate but. I kind of feel like its a game changer. Democrat reporter well, the age of i wouldnt go that far. Consent, as you know, in alabama are you there . Hes probably on mute. Yeah. Was and is 16 years old. Gary wont like it. Why . Because hes gary. When you ask the voters phone ringing this is still 14. What . Keep going yeah. Two years younger than 16. Reporter that is very true, laughs voice on phone its not millennial enough. Katy. The voters here what they there are a lot of ways to say no. Repeatedly will say is they do thank you so much. Thank you not believe the allegations. So were doing it. Yes theyre waiting for more we got a yes start saying yes to your companys best ideas. Information to come out but they let us help with money and knowhow, just dont believe what they see so you can get business done. As an attack by the National American express open. Media and the democrats. So, roy moore is expected or is scheduled to be at an event here locally tomorrow at a Public Library honoring veterans day. Hes not been seen since these allegations broke. As you pointed out in the intro, his campaign is firing back, saying he will stay in this race. Now, this race, the special election is scheduled for december 12th. And its too late to remove him from the ballot if republicans were to want to replace him. It would have to be a writein candidate. Discussions happening now whether that might happen. Local gop officials, several we have quoted over the last 24 hours or so, they say they are sticking by roy moore and they believe this is just a series of eight hundred dollars when wet attacks. Different than what were switched our auto and home insurance. Hearing from some republicans with liberty, we could afford over on capitol hill, who are a real babysitter instead of your brother. Urging him to step down if the hey. Oh. Thats my robe. Allegations are true. Katy . Gabe gutierrez in alabama. Is it . You could save seven hundred eighty two dollars when liberty stands with you. Good luck down there. Liberty mutual insurance. Thank you very much. Lets make one simple clarification. The Washington Post didnt go down to seek out dirt on roy moore. The Washington Post said it went down to do interviews with roy moore supporters and were directed to this. I think thats important to remember. Garrett haake is at the capitol. What more can you tell us about the gop reaction there . Were getting a lot of if trues about them. Reporter yesterday when this came out republican lawmakers moved with rare speed to put some distance between themselves and roy moore. Most republican senators backed Luther Strange before moore became the nominee, so theres not a lot of love lost here in the first place. As you pointed out, almost all of those senators provided this caveat of if this can somehow be proven to be true, they would want moore to step aside. Its tough to get them to give a straight answer on what would be sufficient proof. We heard similar language from the white house who after the time delay, of course, being in asia, came out with a statement this morning. Sarah Huckabee Sanders saying in part, the president believes we cannot allow a mere allegation, in this case one from many years ago, to destroy a persons life. The statement continues, however, the president also believes that if these allegations are true, judge moore will do the right thing and step aside. Katy, theres some irony that one of the strongest statements of condemnation of moore came from timberwolves romney, the previous republican nominee to be president of the United States. He tweeted this afternoon, innocent until Proven Guilty is for criminal convictions, not elections. I believe Leigh Corfman, she being the woman who was 14 when this allegedly occurred. Her account is too serious to ignore. Moore is unfit for office and should step aside. Katy, there seems to be a sort of delay here. Were on a holiday weekend. I get the sense that some republican lawmakers would like to see moore dot right thing and see this go away on his own by stepping aside. Some lawmakers are speaking out and suggesting if moore doesnt do this on his own or clear this up in some credible way in a hurry, they might put more pressure on him. Peter king was on msnbc earlier today and said as much. Take a listen. Ordinarily person entitled to the presumption of innocence but in this case the charge is so serious and the fact it was backed up by other women and so hideous, i would say unless he can prove his innocence, the burden is on him within the next day or so, i believe he has to step down. Reporter so, katy, well see these lawmakers back here on monday when they all expect to get pressed much more aggressively about this if roy moore is still staying in the race. Thank you very much. Rick tyler is conservative strategist and msnbc analyst, ken vogel, and josh smoon a Political Columnist with the alabama political reporter. Rick, i want to ask you a simple question. The Washington Post interviewed 30 sources for this story. Republicans are saying, if true. What are they expecting to happen . Theres criminal case here. How are they expecting to get more information on this before roy moore goes up for election on december 12th . I think the republicans came out and were following a set of talking points that perhaps werent well thought out. As you point out, there will be no criminal case. Its well beyond the statute of limitations. You have to read the story and see if you believe the women or not. I read the story three times. You have three credible reporters who interviewed 30 witnesses and four people went on record. I think thats important. And judge moore has got to determine whether he wants to sink this Republican Party. And he will sink it. I think this is unrecoverable if they send a known pedophile to the next senator from alabama that is going to bleed over into every election in 2018. And if 2017 was the receding waters, 2018 will be the tsunami. What does it say about your party that they would choose a pedophile over your democrat alleged pedophile over a democrat . Its repugnant. The Republican Party is just completely i wouldnt have believed that i would have been here two years ago where we have a president that cant tell the truth, doesnt seem to be able to distinguish what the truth is and now were going to look at Something Like roy moore remember, this is in a long series of utterances by roy moore. This isnt a long allegation that he lived a perfect life and this is out of character for him. So, i think a party has to stand for something. Republican party has stood for values and moral values and thats been an attracting force to the Republican Party. If they lose that, they will lose their way and they will have nothing to stand on. Rick, are you still a republican, considering all the ways in which the republican i like the way youre call Nicolle Wallace put it yesterday, a nonpracticing republican. Look, i dont want to the problem is if everyone everyone would like me would leave the Republican Party, what are they left with . Thats what i worry about. I dont identify with the democratic platform. And being an independent means i dont get to choose the primary candidates. Thats where we are. Roy moore was chosen in a primary. I dont want to give up the opportunity to do that. At in virginia i can choose either ballot. A lot of people dont have that choice in their state. I read your oped in the alabama political reporter, and it was scathing, to say the least. You talk about whether or not there is a muddy bottom for the alabama Republican Party. Maybe there is no rock bottom for the alabama Republican Party, maybe just the mushy mud on the bottom of the river and they keep burrowing deeper into the muck and filth. But what really caught my eye that said, a couple of county chairman said that even if they had hard evidence that moore did commit sexual assault, this is jerry pough and william blocker, even if they had proof, that they would still vote for him over the democrat. Stunning, right . I dont what do you say to is that . The only thing you can do is what i do typically. Shake my hand and walk away. I dont even know what to say to that. What do you make of your state, the politics in your state . We have really dumbed this thing down. In one election cycle weve had the governor go out of here on criminal charges. Weve had the House Speaker go out of here on criminal charges. Weave had roy moore himself be booted from the Supreme Court bench for the second time and now we have this. And these people are still going to elect him if given the opportunity. You know, doug jones is going to make some noise in this race, but trust me, ive been around alabama for a while. Theyre going to elect this guy and send him to the u. S. Senate if given the opportunity to do so. Why do voters hate democrats so much down there that they think this would be a better option . Why dont they like other republicans, i guess . You take it away. Its really like to have conversations with people around here, its really as though they believe this is a game and that theres a scoreboard and to win this game, you have to your team has to put up more points. You have to win more elections. And its about necessarily who best represents me or my values or can better my life in some way. Its about we have chosen this side. Theyve done it over a variety of mostly, you know, social issues, evangelical type stuff, and thats what theyre basing in voting on. And roy moore fits a certain style that is popular here because he waves the bible around a whole lot and people gravitate towards that. Ziegler today of alabama, i guess, compared it to jesus im sorry, to joseph and mary and the bitter of jesus. I was under the impression from reading the bible and the bible study classes i went to when i was a kid, it was immaculate conception, they didnt have sex, they didnt have a physical relationship like that. You know, they call her the virgin mary for a reason. You know, but this is jim ziegler. If youve been in this state, this is the state auditor. Name the state auditor from any other state . He has somehow managed to insert himself into every single controversy for the entirety of his life in office. This is a guy who let us search for a desk that was mentioned during the governors affair. That they had to move this desk so they could consummate the affair. He went in search of the desk. This is who were talking about. Steve bannon is the one that backed roy moore over Luther Strange