Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Stephanie Ruhle 20190

Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Stephanie Ruhle 20190215

Another shutdown. Hes also expected to declare a National Emergency on the border as a way for him to get 8 billion bucks in wall funding leaving many in his own party worried about president ial overreach. Im thinking he needs to tread lightly here. It would be a mistake for the president to invoke his National Emergency powers. And declassified. Former dfbi Deputy Director spoe about ways to remove trump from office. The Washington Post shows mccabe going after former boss Jeff Sessions saying sessions thought the fbi was better off when it, quote, only hired irish men. What does that mean . And buy now. Amazon canceled its plans to build a Second Headquarters in new york city. We begin this morning with the president replacing one political standoff with another. In one hour from now, give or take just a few minutes, the risk of another Government Shutdown will likely be off the table, but President Trump is expected to simultaneously declare a National Emergency to build his wall, opening the door to political backlash from both parties and a legal fight that could potentially go all the way to the Supreme Court. I have a great team here to break all of it down, but first we are looking for a big rose garden ceremony later today in which the president is expected to announce that hes finally figured out a way to pay for his wall. The first thing he is set to do, sign the bipartisan bill to keep the government up and running and take the threat of another Government Shutdown off the table, but hes also declaring a National Emergency to free up more money for the border. He already has about 1. 4 billion for fencing, fencing, through this legislation. Then nbc has learned the president will take 3. 5 billion from a construction budget, 2. 5 billion from a drug program, and 600 million from confiscated drug money. The president will open up a huge can of worms. The first thing that will happen is theyll show a disapproval and overturn the president s declaration. If that happens the house will certainly pass it and it will go to the senate where it could pass with a simple majority vote. And heres the thing. Even though the republicans control the senate theres a good chance a handful will oppose the president and support the resolution. If it passes the senate, President Trump might have to use his very first veto to strike down the resolution and keep his Emergency Declaration in place. And then theres a legal issue. The white house koicounsels ofe warns this carries a high risk. Its warning that the president is violating the constitution. Plenty of republicans are also warning the president is walking a very fine line. I do not see the grounds for declare i declaring a National Emergency. I think thats dubious. At the end of the day, the justice didnt told the white house that the declaration is likely to be blocked in court. Its not clear if it can even work the way the president wants it to. And then theres the precedent it sets, something typically problematic for many republicans including governor mike pence back in 2014. Lets look at this. Signing an executive order, giving a peach, barnstorming around the country, thats not leadership, the likes of which we practice every day. If the president of the United States, if he were to go through with this, i think hes acting outside the consent of the governed, and hes not providing real leadership in resolving this in a way the country would expect a lead doerr. That, again, was mike pence in 2014. I want to bring in kristen welker. Set the stage for us. Whats going on . Well, essentially President Trump is going to trade one political dcrisis for another. The government is going to stay open. You had Congress Passing the funding bill, so the president is going to sign that at some point today, but hes going to declare a National Emergency as you set it out, which could be a constitutional clash. In the rose garden the president is going to make the case theres a crisis at the southern border. Hes going to say the democrats were not working with him on the border wall and, therefore, hes staking this drastic step. Lets talk about the political fallout and legal fallout. Expect President Trump to campaign on this in 2020 because, of course, there are going to be those legal challenges. These are going to be something he uses to angle his base, but even some conservatives are not satisfied. You have ann coulter saying, look, this isnt good enough. You were put in office to get the border wall built and this is to make sure the building of the wall will be delayed. Democrats are going to vote on it as well. You heard House Speaker nancy pelosi start to make that case. And then youre going to hear, look, he initially promised mexico would pay for the wall. Thats not going to happen. Now lets talk about the legality of all of this. You already have states all across the country threatening to sue, the governor of. Interpreter saying he could potentially sue as well. The white house responding, saying, theyre prepare for legal challenges even though they were warned this might not stand, stephanie. This could go all the way to the Supreme Court. Oh, my. I have to bring in my guests. Charlie sykes is in town. Hes the edds tore in chief of bulwa bulwarks. Theyre defending this move, but behind closed doors, are they not worried that this broader plan is going to blow up in their face . Say certainly are. Theres been no proof on both siesd of the aisle that its necessary and they dont have proof that this National Emergency fits the traditional definitions of an emergency. Some of the areas in which the president is looking at transferring funds includes military products, drug forfeiture funds, and theres a concern that other projects that need to be funded wont be funded now to fund the president s pet project. We have to remind the president he is checking this off his list as far as fulfilling his campaign promises. He hasnt. Remember, the president said he wanted to build a wall and mexico would pay for it. Now were talking about 8 billion of our money. Charlie, i want to talk about what was sads a few weeks ago about the risk of declaring a National Emergency. Take a look. Its not a good precedent to set in terms of action. It does not mean i dome want border security. I do. Thats not the way to achieve it. You could wind up in a theatric victory in the front end and then not getting it done. Okay. So well get the theatrics, and the president will spin this as a win. Whats your take. This is their nightmare scenario. What republicans though . . If they stick to it. Dramatic, dangerous, likely to backfire. Imagine that donald trump goes to court and the courts establish a firm precedent of executive power to override congresss ability to appropriate. Think of the precedent that sets for future democrats. Thats not practical. Nancy pelosi said, well, we can do a National Emergency on the climate. On gun control. Or health care. This is not a huge leap. This is why republicans have been urging donald trump not to do this, not to mention all the other problems including Eminent Domain, taking peoples private property when people realize where the money is coming from, how its coming out of the military budget. And yesterday the way its coming up, the senate will have to vote on it. This is a very unusual circumstance. If the house votes on this, mitch mccome will bring this up and theyll have to go on the record. This is a red line for the conservatives that oh, come on. Weve been hearing about red line this is a staunive red line. If you vote with the president on this, you really have gerch up the republican brand as the party of limited government. Wouldnt you think blowing through the deaf sigs, the way were spending . Come on now with your red line. This ought to be a red line, a gutd check. You are members of a coequal branch of government. Youre not just potted plants. You dont work for donald trump. And you have the number one powers of congress. You have all the issues. This is going to be very interesting. Michael, whats your tack ke this . Can it be the president s new jam that if he doesnt get his way, he can say,ing a National Emergency time. I think its ill sighted. I think he also hurts himself. He hurts the constituents. All those four departments who thought they were getting money, theyre not going to be happy. The public is not happy. For someone who thinks d Climate Change is a National Emergency, one day there will be a democratic press kennel. There will be no way theyre not saying youll get whatever funding you want. So maybe 8 billion is not that much and a wall it seems fine to me actually, but Climate Change is a big issue. A democratic issue will be able to get whatever funding he or she wants by declaring an emergency. Heres what Speaker Pelosi said about the future of democrats in the oval office. Democratic president s can declare emergencies as well. The precedent the president is setting should be set with great unease and dismay by the republicans. Whats your take . Weve been here before with other presidencies. The Roosevelt Administration made some people uncomfortable with executive overreach and term limits came out among other things. He tried to pack the Supreme Court. Nixon and his criminality and acts. I think one of the interesting things with the Trump Administration is despite his exsayses and fault, will this make people on both sides of the aisle reconsider what that office is about and put in some new procedures and practices around it so you wont have someone else in the future coming in and doing a trump. Will president s be required to come in and submit their taxes and wall off their finances and assets from their own personal and self interest. In this case its a complete run by President Trump. Its the congress that controls the Purse Strings on these kinds of things, not the executive. Like its a dance move. Charlie, help me understand politics. Why does ann coulters view matter so much . Who is ann coulters base . Who is she speaking for. Were at the point where we have a be up. Of newzealots. Youve got all these people saying, im sorry, whats in this predeal . What are new yorkers doing regarding amazon . This doesnt work for me. If the president chose to pivot, youd get a whole lot of People Holding theranos and closing their eyes saying, i may need go with this guy again. Whos standing behind and saying bravo, sister . I dont know who that is. Hes flipped the switch on that, which is really remarkable. Ann coulter look, President Trump cannot lose any of his base. She represents his base . A certain hard core of his base, and shes not going along with it. He was more krng aboconcerned w would get through the site. Heres the thing. Sean hannity isnt breaking up with trump ever. Right. So why worry about that . Why not think about all those people in the middle who he could win over . I actually dont think hannity and coulder are part of the base. I think theyre part of trumps obsession with whou hes appeared as in the media. Whats happened now is hes a creature of the media and he has a small segment of the Republican Base that he needs that he feels he needs to Pay Attention to. But whats happening with hannity and coulder, theyre playing on trumps ego and his complete actual insecurity. He has a binary of toughness. I was watching his broadcast and hannity interrupted it and said there will be hell to pay. And theyre going to have to answer to me. What does that each mean. When he says ann coulder is not the problem, she shouldnt be. Who is she speaking for and who is she speaking to. Yes. People who will never be satisfied. She cracked the code. If you go after trump and say hes not manly, hes losing, hes weak, she understands the psychology, so she gets urn his skin, which is why hes not following her on twitter anymore. He blocked her. What . Hes not following her. He stopped follower her. Shes not listening to her and have everybody say this is a humiliating surrender. Except when he shows up skpipts. The people who are at maralago are not sean hannity and ann coulter disciples. Thats the thing i dont understand. The people at maralago are not ann could ens. The highly affluent people who supported him and vacationed at that. He follows her. F what he says will get through to National Media and hell have to hear those words rngs and thats why he eads have to attack those words. He cant get away from that. The power of a woman. Its incredible. Coming upping if you missed am the in. Many there would prefer the pruj that theyre using for the wall should be spen else ware. Were going to look to el paso for prs prs emerging. He said the wall will be so big the my granls will have to kriener crime. Its very interesting to say the least. The main deference between jumps border wall and mchlt everybody gleb. They klain p that it would have to be, quote, extremely folt shape in orders to get over its improved border wall. That makes sense because hes in terrible shape and he cant seem to get over it. 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This is beyond wifi, this is xfi. Simple. Easy. Awesome. Xfinity, the future of awesome. Welcome back. Im stephanie ruhle. Were expecting the president to declare a National Emergency and a humanitarian crisis at the southern border today, a move that will allow him tolocate bis of dollars. I want to go down to the border in the city of el paso where despite the president s claims of high crimes, its one of the savest cities in our nation. Jacob, you and i have talked about what all of the communities along the border consider an emergency. Schools, roads, klein water. What are they telling you about this declaration . Reporter that theres no clue in washington, d. C. , how interconnected both sides are. This is the port of entry. On the other side of that Building Back there which happens to be one of the more dangerous cities in mexico, but on this side, its one of the safest cities in america. The president said a wall has prevented danger from flowing in on the other side. The reality is the people that live on that side are the people that live on this side. Hundreds of thousands cross on a daily basis. Many of them coming through are students. Come back to this shot. Elementary students are walking to school that have to be at school at 8 30. I ran into a guy who i ran into a year ago. I said, how are you going . I think i met you last year. They speak in english, not spanish. If i ask if theyre scared, that i almost laugh. I wish the president of the United States would hear that from the folks who are walking to work or to school. Now on the left sued of your screen, youre looking at some of the students i met over the last year and its an extraordinary thing to see out here, steph. My goodness. Maybe we could listen to the people in el paso and they could tell us what they need. Jacob, thank you so much. Amazon announces it will no longer build its Second Headq

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