Efforts have been suck saysfcesd views the 2018 midterm elections as a potential target for u. S. Russia operations. The intel chiefs releasing a report to go along with it. So everyone can read it themselves. Russia getting bolder and even more disruptions in their cyber operations. Attacks on our infrastructure which could include the electrical grid which means our power. Again, i have to repeat this, because theres so much debate about the facts these days. Thats an assessment from team donald trump. And it is obviously d. C. Lly da. So what is President Trump directing be done about it . Nothing. Here was a truly disturbing revelation in this hearing. Has the president directed you and your agency to take specific actions to confront and blunt russian influence activities that are ongoing . Were taking a lot of specific efforts to blunt directed by the president . Not as specifically directed by the president. What is Congress Going to do about that . In a few moments im happy to tell you ill be joined by a democratic senator with a plan on trump and putin. We also have information on whether that russian false flag operation worked to confuse trump. I start with n ned, did you see anything wrong or concerning with the picture paint in the that hearing . Absolutely, ari. We have heard that President Trump has personally himself done absolutely nothing to help our National Security establishment and infrastructure stop the next round of russian meddling that should be hugely troubling to all of us. We learned not too long ago that the president has not convened his National Security council on this subject. But what he has done, hes billed secrets to the oval office with russian, he has refused to implement sanctions. So all of these, both what he has done and has not done is a clear signal to moscow, a clear signal that they have the green light to continue. Thats why youre here as a cia expert. I turn to you as a lawyer for your theory of the case. Heres the most damming theorying. That bob mueller is gathering evidence on trump and it does relate to russia so it concerns President Trump, so shes actually doing a worse job as president on these issues because hes so worried and sort of scared of doing anything that feeds into this russia narrative, so hes just hands off and letting putin run the table. What i want your analysis of is that donald trump didnt do anything wrong, at least nothings been released on him through the Mueller Campaign so far, but he has an equal problem with his own folks saying they have a russia issue, he doesnt do anything because he just worries it will feed a perception that the russians did interfere with the election, so it comes from a place of looking guilty but not being guilty. Analyze those two pieces of the theory for us. He has as far as i can tell, probably committed some crimes. He may have committed them unintentionally. But that doesnt mean that there isnt a theory of the crime that has been committed more than once, because you have the obstruction of justice claim that he didnt actually collude with russia in a way that actually violated the federal elections laws, he nevertheless he would need to actually worry about how he appeared there. I think that if he accidentally violated laws, which is he was benefiting from what russia was doing, he wasnt intentionally colluding with them, but yet using the information ways that made him appear to be guilty, he certainly would have to worry at this stage. I would actually have to argue he would have to worry about appearance, but he would, if he was acting president ial and taking the National Security interests of the country to heart, he would actually appear more innocent than he currently du does. Ned, i want you to weigh in on there, that there isnt a there there, just for the sake of argument, that he didnt the mayas saying you could look at the other side of it and say if he took these actions that would make him look more innocent and yet he doesnt, your view . Thats right, i think we have to talk this up to the fact that President Trump is versus sensitive on this issue. He doesnt want to do anything that could undermine what he perceives to be the legitimacy of his win in the electoral college. And if he were to take a hard line, if he were to punish russia for its meddling. And if he were to admit that russia meddled, in his warped view, he would be giving credence to the fact that his electoral victory was illegitimate. I think what worries many of us in the National Security realm, with that victory in the electoral college, he became the commander in chief, he became the one thats responsible for our National Security and hes been derelict in executing his authority especially in this context. Theres a saying in hiphop that can actually apply to russian meddling, cant stop, wont stop. And that was what each intel chief was emphasizing that trump doesnt want to hear. Do you agree with director pompeo that we havent seen a decrease in the russian activity. I agree with director pompeo, this is not going to change nor is it going to stop. We have not seen any evidence of any significant change from last year. I agree with director pompeo. Youve been waiting for that answer. I have had that one in the pocket for a while, yes, sir. Its not going to change, it not going to stop, it is a little bit of congressional giggle because these are long hearings and it goes and on and on and its almost funny that we all agree. If the president was the last one on that row, would he say cant stop wont stop. What he has done during his presidency is actually undermine the intel. He has done nothing new with this National Security saying we have a problem with russia, actually we had a Bipartisan Panel of senators saying we need a bipartisan strategy on russia in 2016. What trump had done and as pret politifax said in 2013 was that there was no russian interference. In my view, putting aside trumps legal problems, is that the republicans arent actually demanding a significant look at whats happening in our with russian interference. You said the reports of immediating ae i immediate russian meddling, that russia could actually influence our electrical grid. Maya wiley, thank you. Ned, stay with me, i want to dig into the hearing today, the intel chiefs an effort to test the International Black market for stolen Cyber Weapons which u. S. Spies were doing, according to the New York Times and the market for allegedly secret tapes of President Trump. Before i go any further, because this is as explosive a story as you get. I want to be clear, this story im about to show you, does not corroborate any compromising videotape of donald trump that may or may not exist. It does offer, though, an important and tangled plot to sell such a tape by a russian intermediary, to our own american spies. Public discussion of an incriminating tape that came into public view in 2016 and 2017. Wh its all fake news, its phony stuff. It didnt happen. Does anyone really believe that story . Im also very much of a germophobe by the way, believe me. Today that same account back unt in the discussion at this hearing, because there are u. S. Senators who asked the cia director about a report that the u. S. Spies paid 100,000 to hand over one, stolen nsa Cyber Weapons material and two, an allegedly compromising video of donald trump. And the cia director stressed that they were only interested in the cyber tools stolen from the u. S. , not a compromised videotape. The information that we were working to try and retrieve was information that we believed might well have been stolen from the u. S. Government. It was unrelated to this idea of compromise that appears in each of those two articles. The director also insisting this New York Times reporter was inaccurate and he disputed that the cia even made this alleged payment. Reporting on this matter has been atrocious, its been ridiculous, totally inaccurate. In our view the suggestion the cia was swindled is false. Ned price and maya wiley are both still here. Ned, i want to be fair and clear, there is no confirmation of the underlying video part of the story and yet your analysis of the cia director disputing that they involved themselves in paying for this material, but also at times saying things that did seem to, i would say, confirm aspects in the New York Times report that there were russians out there offering all of these alleged goodies. Thats right, ari, director come pay y pompeos approach what the New York Times actually reported was that u. S. Intelligence acted through a cutout, a third party, to provide this to an individual in berlin, who would then offer this information. So what director pompeo said and what the New York Times said, they can both coexist, they can both be true. But in offering this reputation, director pompeo also confirmed the operation. He said the u. S. Government was out there trying to look for, to retrieve this information that presumably Russian Hackers had stolen. And there are only so many carrots and sticks available to the cia. One of which was money. You have been at the nsa and the cia, we all dont necessarily have that inside view you do. But when we read that this happened, what is the level of sort of b. S. Detection that the cia does . Because obviously Anyone Around the world could mention anything they have read online or in a dossier, it doesnt mean it exists. How do they ferret out that theres any chance that what theyre being offered is legit. The bis rate at the cia is very sensitive and very high. I understand in this case, that the russian was known to american intelligence officials. In other words this is not just some random russia who came up. And u. S. Officials had good reason because of past track record to believe that this individual had bona fide connections to russian intelligence. If there was someone that had isnt them an email or walked into a u. S. Embassy somewhere, they would not have gone to such Great Lengths one would presume to try to recover this information. So anyone who offers this kind of information will be vetted using every tool, every database at the disposal of the u. S. President. This was quite a story to begin with before the president responded. One aspect of the story that this article made clear is that theres the risk that those throughout the world that are adversaries are just trying to kick up dust and get the country fighting with the president. Yet theres no confirmation of the tape. Heres trumps response, according to to the New York Times a russian told phony secrets on trump to the u. S. Asking price was 10 million brought down to 1 million to be paid over time. Its all coming out. Drain the swamp. It all appears if you finish the article that they were trying to do. Right. So meanwhile the fox is in charge of the hen house. I mean here we are again, another kind of scandalous moment in the trump administration, with, you know, questionable leadership. Heres someone, heres donald trump jumping into you know, jumping into the fray and started discord, you know, engaging in all kinds of battles, unnecessary battles with the very agency and agencies he should be working with. Its representative of an administration that really is not taking any of this seriously. But that also is giving very little oversight and attention to the real concerns. And instead has decided that this is a political you know, theres Political Capital in turning this into a fight with the very intelligence agencies that are supposed to support, support the white house, and support National Security within the United States. This is typical donald trump. Yeah, and its remarkable when you look at just how much is packed into that story. Ned price and leah wright, thank you for joining me. I turn to senator ben carter, hes authority of the bill to sanction russia. I have a lot to get to with everyone i want to discuss. Starting with your focus on sanctions, what are you pushing for . Ari, its good to be with you. Thank you. We would like to see the law enforced, itwe want mr. Putin t understand if he continues his conduct, there will be a heavy price. So we gave a list of mandatory sanctions for the president to impose, and he hasnt imposed a single sanction under this law against russia. The message to mr. Putin is, you can keep doing what youre doing. Does that mean you view the president as in violation of this law or to put it back on congress that it wasnt written tightly and specific enough to force action . Well, there are certain divisions of responsibility, congress has the responsibility to pay pass laws, the president has the responsibility to carry out those laws. We need to impose and enforce sanctions against russia. We have made that very clear to him. Hes starting the process, hes holding open that he should use these sanctions, we think they should have been used by now. The other thing that i mentioned was discussed at the hearing, your view of that was the cia according to the New York Times, doing the right thing to try to run those leads down, or is the president right that this was a plot against him or is the story wrong in your view . Well, every one of our intelligence agencies have concluded that not only was russia actively engaged in our elections in 2016. But theyre continuing those activities. And they have if anything accelerated their activities against the democratic institutions. I think the New York Times account that director pompeo was discussing today, the allegation that u. S. Spies put 100 k to get allegedly stolen cyber material and an alleged tape about the president. These intelligence agencies are doing everything they can to protect our country, theyre taking this Russian Investigation very seriously. They dont know where its going to lead, but there was certain intelligence apparatus that we needed to get back that the russians were using against us, we needed to get it. So it shows how sensitive the Intelligence Community is to this threat, the only person whos not taking this with the right grain of commitment is the president of the United States. I see what youre saying, thats part of the info they have to just gather up. Before you go, a lot of criticism of john kelly at the white house, does he still have your confidence as the white house chief of staff . General kelly has a very tough job, my hope is that he would be more independent in allowing information to get to the president. Hes done things that i find very, very questionable. But its important that the advisors to the president get access to him with information necessary to make decisions. 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