The senate in New Hampshire . Does he plan on telling us . A blistering editorial this week told brown to put up or shut up. Well talk with the man who wrote it. There are also democrats who have bigger, much bigger dreams for the woman who beat scott brown in massachusetts last year. What does the future hold for senator Elizabeth Warren . More importantly, is a future she even wants. Plus the first named storm of the 2013 Hurricane Season to hit the United States is bearing down on the gulf coast. We actually want to begin with a brief update on that. Bill kierans, good morning, bill. Good morning to you, steve t. Least thing we needed was a big storm coming on shore, the government would have to send fema during the shutdown. It looks like we will be a fawn event along the gulf coast. Thats great news. Can you go about your saturday morning. The storm looks very pathetic right now, actually, and considerably weakened overnight. It wouldnt surprise me at all if it gets downgraded further. So again, all good news with karen t. Forecast will bring it on shore tomorrow. Just rain and wind. We had nasty dangerous weather across the country. A lot of heavy snow in areas of wyoming into nebraska and south doevenlth we had huge tornadoes last night. 16 injured there in portions of nebraska. Today we have more damaging winds and thunderstorm threats. Chicago, st. Louis, independence, more typical stuff. Not something that will cause devastation. If we get bad weather events, my eyes are on southern california, steve. We could see dangerous santa ana winter. Thats my only concern. Some great news. Thavgs for that report, bill. It is easy to forget, especially during weeks like this one, when john boehner looks like this, its usually because hes happy. It is possible on the day this was taken. That was the day if january, 2011, when he assumed the speakership he had some sort of insight into how agonizing the job would be. I sort of doubt it. He definitely understood how conservative the new members of his caucus were. How suspicious many of themmer of him. On that day nearly three years ago, boehner was mainly foleying the joy of realizing a lofty goal he pursued for decades. So those were tears of happiness in his eyes. He was genuinely pleased to be speaker of the house of representatives. That moment of triumph for boehner was bill on an exceedingly Shaky Foundation because the votes that gave the House Majority t. Votes that made john boehner speaker three januarys ago, they came from the tea party. It was tea party inspired, tea party backed, tea part aligned, republicans who were key to the mammoth 63seat gain the republicans posted in the 2010 midterms. Those Tea Party Republicans were at the heart of everything john bohner and the house gob have done since then. Their first year, republican freshmen like scott from tennessee, ben quayle, sean duffy. They had a huge impact in the 2011 debt ceiling goes, actually, they created the idea of debt ceiling goes, of threatening to hold up the full faith and credit of the United States unless the white house granted massive successions. They were symbolic before 2011. No one threatened an actual default. No one dared to threaten an actual default. In 2011, the tea Party Decides to make this a bargaining chip. Barak let them do it. They wanted to negotiate over the debt ceiling. He negotiates over the debt ceiling with them. Then the negotiations blow up. The default deadline draws perilously crisis, an unprecedented crisis is averted only with a lastsecond deal with deep spending cuts. The president is relieved its all over. The Tea Party Republicans look at it differently. Remember for the ones elected in 2010, this is the first time theyve ever confronted the debt ceiling. They just held the president up over it and got away with it. Theying in is what they get to do every time the debt ceiling comes up. Thats the backdrop for whats happening right now. This morning, were entering the fifth day the first Government Shutdown in nearly 18 years. It happened because John BoehnersHouse Republicans kept taking, kept passing measures that would fund the government and attaching to them provisions that would gut president obamas signature achievement, its the health care law. Obama called their bluff so here we are. There is another dead lean coming up. Its coming up fast, that itself the debt ceiling dead leans, now, less than two weeks away. This time the president is in no mood for negotiating, do your job, raise the debt ceiling, he is telling republican, then we can talk about whatever you want. To republicans in the house, especially the Tea Party Republicans so central to everything thats happened these past years, they are still acting like it is 2011, a shutdown of the government, a possible debt ceiling default. These are things to negotiate over, to make demand over. Yet, they dont tow what those demands are. Just yesterday, one House Republican said, im quoting here, because i want to make sure people understand i didnt make this up. One House Republican said, were not going to be disrrpted. We disrespected. I have to get something out of this and i dont know what that even is. That was a quote. Were not going to be disrespected. We got to get something out of this and i dont know what that even is. Think about that. You have already gotten the opportunity to serve the American People. There is no higher honor than that. So the American People arent in the mood so give you a goody bag to go with it. The congressman responsible marlon stoutsman of indianament thursday morning he said he carelessly misrepresented the negotiating being done by john boehner but it was already too late. Political reality has changed since 2011. President obama felt burned. He felt used. He felt abecaused by the debt ceiling negotiating he did back then. He not back in the 2012 election. He won that election. Now he is adamant he wont make the same mistake twice, with the constant threat of a shutdown a. Constant threat of a default. That this is no way for the country to be governed. Hes emboldened. He believes the public is with him on this. The polls say he is right on that score, but if political reality has changed, the pea party hanoied yet. So the government is still closed. The default clock is ticking. The million question marks hanging in the air. If you are the republican speaker of the house, its your next move. Here to help answer that, i want to bring in former rnc chairman and political analyst michael steel, Jackie Kucinich and host of in play. Political scientist victoria defrancisco de soto at the university of texas. So i guess lets pick up on that clip we played from obama there. It was the quote of the week. It may be the quote of the year basically saying we dont want to be disrespected. Were not sure what we really want here. I guess house is in session. Do we know right now, michael, what republicans tangibly want out of this shutdown . Yes, we do. What is it . They dont know what they want and thats the really. We know they dont know. And i think stutsmans comment reflected that. This is what happened when you go on Cruise Control when you get in this steigerwapsyche is plan and a strategy to work with the administration and maneuver the administration to a particular point you dont have that it will be filled by someone. In this case it is filled by ted cruz. So you have a lot of folks in the house, particularly those moderates, whoever they happen to be in the house who say, why are we doing this . This is not the way to do this. We dont need to link obama care with closing the government t. Debt ceiling is the play. Thats the argument. Thats where we can talk about tax reform. We can talk about spending cuts, etc. Its a corner that theyre in blaus because if they start to make the move to give the president some ground on opening the government backup what do you say to your base that have you now backed up and jacked up to stand here and fight obama care when you say, wait, obama care, we will let that slide. The base is like we cant let that slide, you told us this is important. So there is a big problem now. Jack jackie, realistly, speaking, can you see what are some specific things maybe john boehner, maybe the House Republican leaders could put out there that would be acceptable to democrats, it would be acceptable to the president to reopen the government. It wouldnt get them to treason by the base, is there anything are you seeing . When it comes to the base, it will be very hard to do without obama care repeals. So you kind of have to accept that you wouldnt be able to make them happy which is going to be the biggest side on John Boehners side of the coin. You can have the medical tax repealed. That is one thing they have talked about, its popular with some democrats. That could posssibly happen. But you will still have the same problems with that that you would have on anything that does not have an obama care repeal, defund, delay, thats still going to be that reality for whatever reason has not set in harry read can say it over and over and over again. They think theyre going to push him to some kind of capitulation there. Even if he does, its going to get to the white house and its going to be there. Its amazing. If the end game is the medical device tax being repealed, the idea we had to shut down the federal government and flirt with the default to get rid of a medical device extra tax. It seems absurd. I guess that in a way they have a victory. They have their funding levels attached to this bill and i was talking to republicans this week who are, theyre not exactly moderate, but theyre institutionalists. They have been there a while. They say a couple years ago, this would have been huge. The victory is there in that this whole sequester level spending. The democrats take, a lot of republicans have embraced and learned to love. Is there an out for republicans to say, hey, you know what, we got sequester level spending. Thats our victory. Does that exist . Thats a tough sell. I talk to a lot of conservative was say, sure, thats a democratic concession from 2011 when we agreed on the sequester cuts in the first place. They agree, in 2011, they agreed to say this is the wrong process. This sequester was the punishment for that. The punishment went into place, right . They havent been able to physical anything else out. So, yes, obviously, democrats, thats a democratic you know argument that they have been making for the past week. Weve already made this concession, thats a really tough sell for conservatives. Some republicans are willing to go along with it mostly because they want to get out of this whole thing, think think its a political loser. We talk about who is winning who is losing, it affects the incentives the elected officials have. If nay feel theyre losing something, they will not be as hard. If they feel they are winning, they will be more emboldened. I get the sense from the president and the democrats have talked they feel good about their political positioning, they have the ability to sit here and say, we are not negotiating over any of this stuff. But i wonder is that sense also permeating the republican world . What is your read of how the republicans have reacted this week . I do do think it is trickling down. I think it comes to the electtorial election t. President said during the Government Shutdown the Social Security checks go out. During the debt ceiling if we get to that point, they wont go out. I think he knows the president knows the pressure is going to be turning up for republicans. People, Senior Citizens are going to be calling in their representatives. Offices are going to be saying, hey, i want my checks coming in. I dont care if you are against this because your party is against it. You into ed to vote to get this over with. So i do think in terms of the democratic stance, they do have that favorability with it bought of the connection. Michael what do you think hearing that, what do you think like john baner is think something where do you think he is right now is he just looking for some way, anyway out . He was probably thinking, could i give the gavel back, is that possible . I dont under sfimt uniestimate boehner, yes, this is a new group of players at the table. Nobody in the party had to deal with before. Quite frankly, rather honestly since i helped get a lot of them there in 2010. I understand where theyre coming from. Are you looking at a group of individuals who for the first time in congress have not been co opted into the system and get along to get along. They were sent to washington to do a particular thing, which was basically to control the government. They held firm to that t. Problem for boehner has been how do i then work that into the typical daytoday operations of this place so that we can get things done. His default doesnt work here, which, hey, can i give you a bridge . How about if i help you, the earmarks. Thats one of the big problems. Can i give you a Committee Assignment . I dont want a Committee Assignment. What do you want . I dont want anything. The whole thing with earmarks, too, the whole spirit of the Tea Party Republicanism is to get rid of government. Exactly. A lot of these tea party conservatives, their districts, thatter people are saying good job, are you sticking it to them. They are being spurned on by the people who sent them there. Its a connection. When theyre looking at their calls, theyre not getting the same calls that maybe a senator is getting for the entire state or their democratic colleagues. We can forget that totally if you look at a strongly republican in a congressional district. All these sort of National Trends dont apply there. The key then are the nonTea Party Republicans. Thats where that question is. They have been very quiet. That itself the thing we hear like half hearted. They had a press Conference Last Week talking about a different kind of cr that does not have the defund attached to it. Too res the people that will feel the pain in the next election. These guys are looking at jobs. Theyre getting the calls saying what the heck are you guys doing up there, if boehner brings the bill to the floor, there is enough republicans to push it across, hes going to catch heap, because he allowed it to come to the floor. We have a democratic member of Congress Standing by. We will talk to him about those proub republicans that could be willing to cut a deal. Well see if he sees anything. He is joining us after this. Amelia. Neil and buzz for teaching us that you cant create the future. But tonight he made pizza. With johnsonville italian sausage. And everybody loved it. And youre definitely proud of that. Johnsonville. Served with pride since 1945. [ male announcer ] the new twin turbo xts from cadillac. 410 available horses. Room for four. Twice the fun. In talking about the current shutdown, it might happen to have a member of congress around the last time there was a shutdown. Especially since that one and this one share more differences than similarities, a democratic congressman from new york joins us. I want to read a kweet here from a Republican House member, an unnamed Republican House member in new york, a conservative journalist. This unnamed house member said i think there is a sense for us to do a clean kr now, what the he ll is this about . Who two things, one, do you have any optimism this is going to end soon and, two, do have you any accepts of any sort of bottomline demands that republicans could make that you could live with that could end this thing . No. This is fundamentally a budget dispute t. Senate passed the bill for 1. 058 trillion dollar congressary spending. You normally split the difference. The House Democrats and the president and the Senate Democrats agreed to go with the republican number. Thats a total concession. At least for the six week cr. Well fight that again for the next cr that has to start on november 15th. For now, its a total capitulation. For the republicans to add nonbudgetrelated items, defund obama care, repeal this tax is a fundamental problem and we cannot give an inch on that, we can compromise on budgets, but you cant allow the republicans to use either the threat of a default or the threat of a closing government to get unrelated concessions because thats government by blackmail. And if you have government by blackmail, then a minority in one house can dictate to the majority. Like their demand to delay obama care or defun it or to change it is essentially saying, well, it was palsed be i the senate, by the house and by the president. It took 60 years from the time that president truman proposed National Health insurance until we finally got a mild form of National Health insurance. Okay. We finally got it but by the president , the senate and the house all passing it. The Supreme Court okayed it. Then there was a president ial election in which the republicans said get rid of it. The democrats and obama said, no, we got to implement it. The democrats won. The president was reeelection day on that platform. Now to come along and say we will blackmail you, we will destroy the economy the country, by defaulting on the debt or close down the government. Thats the blackmail that says democratic government is over in this country t. Majority can be frustrated by the minority. That cant allow to happen. Its october 5th right now. Were right now in the shutdown, we have the debt krolling coming up october 17th with potentially catastrophic consequences if there is no resolu