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it is above the law and immune from accountability addon. and those were the hours top new stories from all around for more up to the minute. updates had over to r t dot com. and don t forget to follow us on odyssey rumble and gab. thanks for tuning in. we ll see you again at the top of the hour. ah, ah, i m not sure it doesn t seem welcome back to going under ground tens of millions face death this winter because they don t have enough to eat. nato nation media blames russia for making the year on year starvation in the global south worse, while massive corporations and western oligarchs promote the use of money making technology to solves the most basic problems facing humanity, interconnected with climate change. our guest today is a world renowned environmentalist attack in nato nations. the new yorker called her a demagogue, but who has risked her life to educate the world about the malign power of late capitalism. she s the author of 20 books including a latest terror viva. my life in a bio diversity of movements and a journey from atomic scientists to feel as fight of a natural seeds is chronicled in the new film, the seeds of under the shiva. ah, food is a weapon. when you sell real weapons to control on when you control food, you control society. but when you control seat, you control life. industrial farming is the single biggest destructive force on the planet to day. the war against the earth begins in the minds of men. and i mean, ah, vandalay tuba is one of the most prominent activists in the world. so my dad is this year old with florida. dana. ah, she s a warriors to the beach ya consistent that destroys fun. in a was one of the pioneers. he started the grandpa seed movement owning intellectual property right on the seat is a pending attempt and see did you and you can watch the seeds of under the shiva now and run the, the she, the movie dot com. but now the legendary veteran of w to seattle $9099.00 and countless paddle since dr. under the shiva joins me from darren in india. thank you so much. i m gonna for coming back on the show before i even get to the amaze, sing documentary, i really think everyone should watch it to understand more about you rather than just talking at different conferences. it gives a different type of perspective. and i have to really begin because this here is the 38th anniversary of the bo paula, that disaster build is one of the largest or may be the largest industrial disaster in history. why do you think it s so emblematic of all your fights and struggles and work on a, on how capitalism manifests itself in its war on the poor willow benin. the move on disaster, which is being called by abi, on genocide, brings together the fact that development in the 3rd world is the introduction of toxics and poisons. they should be imposed a, in the seventy s from union carbide. com. i d as a hand in india s future. boring a beaker of a red liquid over a farm, applying his feed and it literally became then, you know, the face of nobody houses died because a pesticide plant leaked. and till that time these to see the idea that there are other alternatives to pesticides is totally pause. name a beautiful tree with versions called as on that act, which is what it scientific name is under the direct day because i started on the day of the mobile disaster. no mobile bonds, less than to me because we have samples and it will say g. then 10 years later, no name is patented and pirating and 11 me as i thought that case against the u. s . government and w r. ready racer company jointly held a patent on pesticide properties of me. so we ll call superstitious. we were called ignorant and our knowledge was taken. and papa was totally avoidable if the non violent part of agriculture, that was our part with thousands of years, had not been interrupted by the green revolution. i. toxics and chemicals engine used in the name of development. we want to get on to all of the themes to an extent, but of course, as you know, union carbide as was in vain. there was an outer court settlement. i know that 600000 are affected. some campaign is say that 120000 continue to suffer to this day may be 50. no one really knows how many died. but they, they were very clear. i know it s been taken over by dow chemical, the 984 gas the can. bobo was a terrible tragedy, which understandably continues to evoke strong emotions even 20 years later. but in the wake of the gas release union carbide corporation and then chairman warren anderson work diligently to provide aid to the victims and set up a process. all the claims arising out of the release was settled years ago at the expressive direction and approval of the supreme court of india. why do you keep going on about it? if, if it s still so important, i suppose lauren anderson ran away and there s enough for a cause about his escaping from india. second, that settlement brought about a $100.00 to each person, which was nothing. to cover the cost difference enough to cover the la supply. you talked about union carbide having the more my dow, but douses then has furnished with dupont and you pond and now have a beautiful name to day cor, teva so you will never recognize and connect them to union carbide. new research showing how union carbide weeks pretends to have existed, india actually heaps existing to shell companies. so the amazing investigative journalist following up the whole pile case and sadly, every year, 2nd and 3rd of december ingle pal, they are marches against the continued crime against lucon and the continued injustice. there was no justice delivered by her by till date, but we invite the chief executive of court aver i any representative from these are newly changed named companies with relationships to the bobo disaster, which they deny. and of course, they deny many connection. it s the past they might, they might say. but what about where the geopolitical realignment? because i did mention the indian supreme court and i know that appears in the film . i, you know, in a very emotional moment in the film or as regards you personally. but on the supreme court level, they agreed to the settlement back then about bobo could things change again? could india, not her act so much as a vassal state to washington, which was wrong, suspected when it came to that settlement and start to exert some kind of sovereign power against us multi nationals given realignments between china and russia and all the rest of it. the, what s been going on this year? yes, you know, even of the time when the supreme court is truly it was on the basis of a totally patriarchal claim by the state, they represented all the victims as barren dispatcher, that they were the baron. and they could represent all the victims, the victim said, you are not up errand, you allowed people to die, and those cases told them to continue. so i do hope that a new jurisprudence of courage of compassion will emerge once again. because after all, it is the land of dante in the land of non violence and compassion. and we should use every level of justice to bring compassion to the full. but is there any change? can there be a change given the supreme court made that judgement years ago? it s already done isn t oh, well, i m the, you know, the, all of these new situations which trigger, for example, i, you know, i m, i ll be cash genders were made illegal. that is 2016. today the supreme court is here in that case, and asking the government show us the reason why you didn t give us the proof that there was reason behind it. so, you know, it takes one judge of conscience. it takes one new trigger that connects another tragedy to profile. and of course, these cases can come back. well, as i said, all subsequent companies did, i all liability and relate to what you 1st said. 3 are in this interview. at the soils of india may have been destroyed by a union carbide back then. but according to you, the soils are being destroyed every single day across the global south. how exactly do you tie up this incredible network of un agencies the world you know, make for him the i, m, f, e, you multinational corporations, all these different interconnected elements are somehow connected to that. so such a basic thing on life, on a, the soil like, you know, i was my head was all in quantum theory, atomic physics. that s what i was standing. and it was until 1980 for the year of the hopa disaster, but also the year of the punjab disaster. when them pounds of people died in new violence that i was compelled to work for the united nations university to study what was the green revolution? where did it begin? why are we using chemicals? why are we destroying the saw? so i did the book violence of the green revolution for the united nations university. and a, i found that all angry chemicals of today, the ancestors are the chemicals of it. those germany, i g carbon and the american partners. you know, while the was being fought between the nancy and the allies, the companies were working together to use fossil fuel and finance to make chemical standard oil. rockefeller brought the finance on the fossil pills. germany brought the chemical expertise and that expertise to bog into the aggregate mclean street, which i call the boys in cartel because their names changed so frequently. it s impossible to keep up with their names. but one thing that has stayed through out from the thirty s to now is the manufacture poison. and they claim that it is necessary to grow food. why are the saws across the world line? because the process of making nitrogen fertilizers through burning fossil fuels at high temperature to fix atmospheric nitrogen is the same process that made explosives. when you apply ammonium nitrate to the soil urea to the saw it all living organisms, a soil dac saw is living is fungi. bacteria, it s earth well is what creates the fertility and create life in the soil. this toxic substance starts to kill life in the saw it. so increase deserts on the one hand, but it s so inefficient. only 10 percent is used by plants. 90 percent runs off as pollution of water of dead zones in the ocean, but even more seriously during the climate discussions. the silence on nitrous oxide hides the issue of not sure put lasers in contribution to the climate disaster. one kilogram of nitrogen fertilizer uses 2 meters of diesel. it emits carbon dioxide cost nitrous oxide, which is $300.00 times more damaging to the planet than carbon dioxide. and they have climate change that makes it worse and the cycles, the vicious cycle of the certification of this. interestingly, my research at that time showed that the same crop, i actually did chemically use this 10 times more water than the crop cultivated organically. so i m just not the case element on the, on the planet. water is, water is what is drying up and john has been absolutely decimated and the red industrial agriculture is there. lakes are disappearing, drivers are disappearing. so all the multiple cases that we face today, the green revolution, industrial, agriculture based on fossil fuels and fossil fuel chemicals, is that the router fit, dr. mother? she ver, i ll stop you there. more from the world renowned environmentalists after this break. ah ah a ah, welcome back to going underground. i m still here with that the globalization pioneer doctor on the shiva. of course journalists will cover what happened in bun job as merely ethnic strife. and it s a conflict point very well made in the field. obviously, the rockefellers were foundation would say, yeah, that was long ago. the nazi links to these companies historically, whether it be that or ford, for instance, not only are these links insurable that we should ignore them, that these are the companies sponsoring all the climate conferences. they are sponsoring the green revolutionary sponsoring everything. and in fact, when it comes to what you said about fertilizer, of course, the, the greatest a freelancer, capitalist or bill gates, the founder of pentagon contract or microsoft. he said in stark contrast to what you re saying, i have never been shy about my passion for fertilizer. it s a magical innovation, good, responsible for saving millions of lives from hunger and lifting millions more to poverty by boosting agricultural productivity. you re not saying he has something to do with the silence or nitrous oxide i. he has a lot to do with the science of nitrous oxide because in his book, dealing with planning catastrophe, you standing in front of a book, fertilize a fatty saying i love, but eliza and i m happy and then i look as someone who can be me happy at my urea and fossil fertilizer obviously doesn t know, the light is solid. he doesn t know how farm us go to the living. so i have to grow more food. the more for it. so i facility the more your food production and the more the nutrients in food. so the signs on the personalizes is quite clearly driven by on the one hand, the fertilizer industry itself. and during this period where the crisis is happening, it s less, eliza price is a chart up. but his 4 or 5 companies that make money. those companies then is the billionaire funds, the asset management class, the backdrops, the man, dads, and mr. gates directly. as, as boss now for of sale that you know, the alliance for the green revolution in africa was a joint alliance of rockefeller and, and mr. gates. so it isn t that these historic links on the past, 2nd, in my books on the air ancestry of genetic reductionism, you know, it was rockefeller which financed all the research on eugenics on finding the molecules of determinism in life. and that is what shape the reduction of biology that then gave us reductionist genetic engineering. they haven t got out of this issue a most important point just before the classical comp, summit rockefeller with new york stock exchange announced that they will now go creating as it naturally asset companies. that they would now own nature as a financial asset. this is going on in the cost of climate is going on in the comp, a blind in the city is going on in every food and food security. we are witnessing the financial ation of nature and through the financial aid station, a new extracted this which creates magic by saying the really economy, the rivers and i m the soil is dying. the climate is the stabilize. now we will bet on wall street and the kind of collapse we created in 2008 will be nothing. we will now manufacture a $4000.00 trillion dollar economy, which we will control in a big issue. so they haven t stopped the game. continuing it just that the spears chain, the partnerships chain, but the logic of the tenant canyon control over line is what guides every aspect of rock fella, gates and the bill in a club. will you being saying that they have a malign influence? of course, there is an entire class, an entire lead class involving the lines for the green revolution. and so many others who disagree. i have to say that given there are these elite, so obviously they can afford organic in western countries, organic food, or it s certainly labeled organic food. how to get away from the fertilizer pesticides. the very richest can. how does or how does it affect us inside us? if we don t eat organic food because there s one mention of it in the film very briefly. what, what is the micro biome, and what are all these different companies? will these agencies, what it, what are they? what do they mean for actually what s going on inside us? they obviously deny any wrong doing and saying all that they are doing is basically part of our green revolution which started decades ago and fed 1000000000 people that would otherwise have stuff to death. when a digital so effective, there wouldn t be a 1000000000 people hungry today. and the earlier hunger was sporadic. it was lean, for example, to the british colonialism, extracting super. so last is 45 trillion from india and in the process creating honda invalid. and this is on rebels. the new on the structure and his plan, including the fact that half of the hungry of the world are agriculture producers who cannot eat the food they grow because the great commodities at high cost, lots of marie. so they re just silly. everything they grew just to be back yesterday is that the issue of how this is full strap of how we are made to think of food begins with treating agriculture as an external input system just to put leftover will chemicals in it is treated as production separate from a totally separate from i and then i have this be all you the big pharma using on diseases when you manufacture. so take the fact that buyer, which now has bought from central, says life a seat. yes, cancer and w h o has said black was he is a carcinogen, that s bad. that is, man, i m europe now after many call cases for dylan periods. this is really banded fully. this still debating it and that you can either, man, they haven t banded fully. but the same company then brings you our patented cancer drug. that s a fight bias hat in india to try and strike down are laws that prevent this kind of monopoly. but what size is showing and what people knew, you know, people could, his whole food is i mention, i me that i m not sure about the food as i medicine food is my medicine. now, new science and your research showing us that the biodiversity of the so in my, for bio which treats the plans that fido chemicals and richness, then feeds our gut micro mile, which is a 100 trillion fellow beings within us. we are only 10 percent of us. the remaining barge of us is the got my for my own. and the gut micro biome is so sensitive. all of those microbes, new, new, and different food. so we have to each diversity. they have sensors that can test the toxics, they can test uniformity, which is another issue, this new faith based on g. m, also put as mill, put us bread may and everything. but by the time that molecule hits, i got it s an attack and we get allergies. we had all kinds of that problems. so the got to micro, mom is a forest with us. we must tenderly take care of it. and we can only take care of it by taking care of the forest outside in the sun and enough tops again and again in the film as you progress in your journey to where you are now, you question a things and connections into connections. but why do you think the doctors are routinely in nature countries treating ever more allergies? so they say aunt questioning these links necessarily you actually the mo, the sponsible doctors, the more informed doctors are actually making these things. i know it is 3 cancel specialist who given of the clinics in cities and started organic party to say i would treat my patients my growing good food and nurturing that got to my for bye. and of course, most of the people in the, in, i don t call in the health sector because they re not providing health. if they were providing all the thinking of food. they are basically part of the industrial medical complex. they re just running the 10000000 up with the medical representatives come, they allocate these drugs and it s a machine to sell medicines and drugs. we look for machine, what s wrong for them to bring them to you should he also did to our body and basically tried to criminalize every system of healthcare that has existed for ever . india s iowa is more than 5000 years old, and every attempt is made to ravish it, but to which they would say to which they would say, life expectancy is increased after the green revolution. the fact that counts as a more prevalent is merely because people are living longer and that allergies are somehow diseases of affluence, you know, you know what s written about in the press. i know in the film you talk about lobbied journalism to an extent, what would, how don t when you had a case of penne job, it s so clear when job they were the healthiest people. really hard working to deepen. job is a pocket of suicide because of debt and kansas because of pesticides. there s a cancer train that leaves one job and it s not because ok my life and it is higher than it was under the british. no, no, it s not. that s a bigger on paper. young children are going in this cancer training children not getting cancer is not just the old people. i mean, in us, why do i take up the film shows that many steps and we had took on a challenge and addressed it to things lead outreach and me unnecessary harm to the earth. an unnecessary violence to human beings. baba was a rog, wireless to people when job was about violence to people and boy, literally up. and they, i asked the question, why do we do it this way? why the science and i going to the structures? and then of course, i can live with a violence and an analysis of it, i must find the non violent path. so my journey has just been a deeper and deeper and deeper journey and non violence. the pain deep edge, i need to protect my diversity and every step i was looking for the poison god tell in different things, but they merge behind every disaster. they get much. so the connections of the violence res, face in the world of violence, against climate man skins by diversity species extinction. you know, of course in 6 will disappear if insecticides unleashed to kill insects by them as your plans will disappear, if you unleash glad will save meant to pill everything green as one center used to say in the convention meetings till everything green green is the solution to life on earth, tamika designed to just kill the green, is already eco cycle. i know the film shows how your sister change your life. and her, albert einstein changed, changed your life. i said, said private capitalists inevitably control the main sources of information. it s almost impossible for individual citizens to, to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of political rights. do you think that it may be very different from country to country, from continent to continent that the information law war is being lost? that the amount of lobby journalism i was surprised to hear that you, i suppose maybe maybe your fans would not be surprised to hear that you were under personal attack. i know in the, in the film it shows your life was threatened anyway, but you re under personal attack from magazines like the new yorker or whatever ab . do you think what you re saying can be transmitted in media publications, in massively profitable markets in western europe, in the united states? well, you know, for me, what matters is that it s transmitted. and if i can say this much, just yesterday, a young child from new zealand release, the book, and when she was asked what inspired you to this book? and she says, when the shivers writings on the green revolution path here are young people all over the place. they didn t get it from social media, they actually read books and they did that. so there s a thinking group and concerned group of citizens who are very awake and i looking everywhere where they can to find the answers to the multiple crisis. because then you of the heavy machinery and it s so repetitive, you know, i can even predict what will be said. because of the film we are discussing is premier was in germany, and now buyers in germany who should see all these they unleashed to attack an attack and attack. so they don t come down. and for me, you know, for i did science because science means to know the truth, to say to, you know, to know it s knowledge. that s my passion. knowledge is my passion. and just because by men page with money that michael specters and the math classes, right trashy pieces, you know, i m not going to give up my passion because seeking answers on how to protect life and i will continue that book of a little shiva. thank you. and that s it for the show. remember, you can watch the seeds of on the machine. and then when the machine movie dot com will be back next week with another brand new episode. but until then you can still keep in touch by all our social media. if it s not sensitive in your country, you can always head to the channel going on to grantee on, rumbled com to watch new and old episodes. going undergrad supervisor. ah, ah, ah, the pentagon has announced a new multi $1000000000.00 military, a package for claiming it s the largest military delivery since the ukrainian conflict began. ukraine shells a number of western russians that he s on orthodox christmas eve injuring multiple civilians that despite moscow calling for a truth on the christian festival. ukraine has it forwarded almost 17000000 tons of grain intended for those most affected by food insecurity in africa. reports show that europe has received the majority of those deliveries.