one of, quote "the key civil rights struggles of our time." in a coordinated effort, 43 catholic institutions filed federal lawsuits to stop the obama administration's plan to require free coverage of contraceptive services. among the plaintiffs were catholic dioceses, hospitals, social service agencies, and universities, including notre they say the requirement would infringe on their religious freedom. supporters of the coverage plan say a proposed compromise would avoid religious liberty concerns, but the catholic bishops reject that compromise. meanwhile, a new gallup poll found that 82 percent of us catholics believe birth control is morally acceptable. 15 percent said it was morally wrong. joining me now are kim lawton, managing editor of this program, and kevin eckstrom, editor-in-chief of religion news service. kevin, kim, welcome. kevin, what do you make of this? >> well, the catholic institutions that filed suit are basically fighting over whether or not they have to provide birth control coverage to their employees in their insurance plans. that's what the root of this is all about. the fact that they, 43 groups came together and filed a dozen lawsuits shows that they are trying to come at this with the full weight of the church, to show that this is not just an isolated diocese or a small group but that the whole range of the church is really upset about this. and it also signals, i think, that they don't see any other alternative, that they don't see a political compromise in the works with the white house. they, i think, in a lot of ways, feel like they have no other choice but to go to court. >> and they feel that the compromise that the white house has offered, which some more progressive, liberal, moderate catholics say that's ok, these groups are saying no, it's not ok. it doesn't cover us. and for them it's a matter of religious freedom. and, they very clearly said, this is not about contraception, really it's about religious freedom and our ability to practice our beliefs and the government not telling us what to do, what we have to do and the government not also saying who is a religious group that qualifies for an exemption from the policy. >> and how representative do you think these groups are? >> well, they're representative in that it's a broad range. i mean, it's schools, it's groups, it's dioceses, it's big dioceses and small ones but it's only a handful of dioceses, i think, you know, less than 12 dioceses out of 200 or so in the country, so the vast majority of local dioceses did not join this suit. >> but that doesn't mean that they like the, what's going on. >> right. and a lot of them support what the bishops as a whole are trying to do but there is some dissention in the ranks about what the best legal strategy is and a lot of people, a lot of bishops, or some bishops, think that this was a big premature. >> the fury of the opposition and the breadth of it suggest that the administration might have miscalculated when they presented this in the first place. do you see that? >> well, the first policy, the first iteration of this policy, got very widespread disapproval from a lot of catholics and we've heard that inside the administration there were people saying, warning the administration that this would not be popular. now, more people, more catholics have approved this, the compromise that the obama administration tried to work out but there are some suggestions that maybe they weren't prepared for this and that the religious outreach wasn't what it should have been in order to figure out how to maneuver this. >> quickly, you agree? >> yeah, and a lot of catholic bishops said that they were basically blindsided by this. they were never consulted beforehand and say hey this is what we're planning to do, what do you think, can we find something that works? instead, they were just handed this and said take it or leave it and the bishops basically have said, no, we're not going to take it. >> right in the middle of an election year. >> right. and there is some concern both within the bishops conference but also without that the bishops risk appearing to be anti-obama or perhaps too republican and that the timing on this needs to be very, very sensitive. >> many thanks. this graduation season more and more christian women are getting seminary degrees and pursuing careers in ministry and theology. kim lawton visited union theological seminary in new york city for our report on the new opportunities for women and the challenges they continue to face. >> graduation day at union theological seminary in new this multi- denominational christian institution describes itself as "progressive and evangelistic," and its stated vision is that graduates will change the world by practicing their theological vocations. that vision explicitly includes women, such as itang young. young grew up in houston. she says she never saw herself becoming a pastor or religious leader. >> the leadership roles in church were typically held by men, and the women who did work in the church were either sunday school teachers or they worked in the kitchen or they worked in the nursery. very rarely was there a woman in the pulpit. >> young became an engineer and took on a high-powered corporate job. then, she started questioning the purpose of her life. >> i needed to do something to help improve the lives of the people around me. >> she concluded that seminary would help her get there, and at union, she found a place especially open to female students. nationally, women make up about one-third of seminary students. but here at union theological seminary, they're more than 50 percent of the student body. women have been coming here for 100 years, but as recently as the 1960s, more than 90 percent of the students here were men. >> i think right now at this moment in history we're in the midst of something of the magnitude of the protestant reformation. serene jones is union's first female president. she believes the rate at which women are entering theology and ministry is one of the biggest changes in 2,000 years of christianity. >> there are communities in this country in which if a woman says she wants to be a minister, she's not going to be looked at like she's stark raving mad. to have a situation in which we recognize the fullness of life of women, the full equality of women changes everything. >> women with seminary degrees are becoming ordained pastors. but they are also becoming chaplains, social workers, counselors, authors, scholars and professors. despite the new opportunities, limitations do remain, even in denominations that support female leadership. >> the number of women from union and the number of women in this country who are the senior leaders of large congregations is so miniscule, and it still is sort of the, what they refer to as the stained glass ceiling. you can only go so far. >> jones says the challenges can be subtle. >> there are obstacles i think in the church, of people who don't even know they have a prejudice against women. but they'll say things like, 'you know, she just, i just, i can't hear her voice in the back of the sanctuary. i want a minister who can talk loud.' or 'you know, she just looks a little too awkward in the pulpit.' >> then, there are more overt limitations. the roman catholic church and certain evangelical denominations oppose female ordination. >> i am a roman catholic woman. i have no place at this table. this table is for men. >> janet walton is a roman catholic nun who has been professor of worship at union since 1981. she's one of several catholic women on the faculty here. >> it's very difficult for me to imagine that millions of catholics never experience a woman leading the liturgy. because i think it matters. it's not essentially that i think it makes a difference whether a woman or a man does it, but that no women can do it is a very big problem in the catholic church. >> part of how it matters, she argues, is in portraying a fuller vision of faith. >> there are lots of ways in which the experiences of being a woman and having the experiences that go with being a woman do affect the way one understands god. >> it's not just about having the same place as men in ministry. i mean, certainly we need all those same rights and need access to as many of those positions, absolutely, and equal pay, for sure, but it's also about bringing all of our uniqueness as women into those positions. we have gifts. we have gifts that are uniquely women gifts and that those don't get checked at the door. >> what is sacred? >> barbara rice is a second-year masters of divinity student who says she has wanted to be in ministry her entire life. she grew up in a conservative evangelical church in north carolina, and as a woman and a lesbian, she felt her opportunities for ministry were restricted. but she believes women have much to contribute. we have an ability to listen to our intuition. and i think, as far as spiritual matters go, that that's incredibly important. whether that's the way we're socialized or whatever it is i think that we tend to have a sense of things, that if we can learn to trust it, especially with the discernment of a community, it can be a really spiritually enlivening thing. >> jones believes women bring to theology what she calls a sense of spirituality wedded to the ordinary. >> it's about breaking bread and putting on band-aids on a skinned knee, and about being angry and standing up for justice in a community. those aren't things that men don't do, because they do. it's just that women somehow bear that in their souls with a depth and a persistence that brings freshness to ministry. >> the journey for women has been a journey that's been so difficult so that when they finally are able to step on this path, there's a level of just like deep joy and gratitude. >> for charlene sinclair, a 4th year phd student, seminary has been a way to enhance her work as a community organizer. >> seminary actually not only gave me permission to engage my head in this process, but showed me that engaging my head was critical so that i wouldn't be a reactionary pastor or a reactionary spiritual person, but i can do it out of a place of, not just deep love, but deep, thoughtful love. >> jones found her own passion for theology early on. >> studying theology, reading augustine and calvin and learning about scripture and reading about women's leadership, it was eating chocolate all day long. it was so delicious. and that's when i, when i stumbled into that world i realized i'd found my home. >> she grew up in the disciples of christ denomination and says her family encouraged her to pursue that passion. >> the struggle along the way was, it's one thing to imagine yourself doing something and it's another thing in the broader world to have this, the confidence and the strength to believe you actually can do it. >> jones says it's important for women to have role models and people to encourage them. she mentors younger women and, she says, men can also play an important role. >> as women go into the ministry it's often going to be men that are their biggest supporters. it's not just women that are out there cheering and you know, giving sustenance. >> itang young says her time at seminary vastly expanded her vision of how god may use her in ministry. she says it's actually not all that different from her work as an engineer. >> as an engineer, we build things better, we deconstruct and reconstruct items, objects, in a way that helps to improve the lives of other people and within a ministerial context, the function is the same. we're doing church in a new way. we are building god's people. so i went from building things to helping build god's people. >> for now, young is still deciding whether or not she'll pursue ordination. she's not at all worried that as a woman, her ministry options may be limited. >> there's one thing that i learned here at union that is to create opportunities where none exist. so if there's not a position available, market yourself and perhaps one could open. the word of god says that your gifts will make room for you, and i believe that. >> jones says that's the vision she has for all her students. >> if you can come to believe that god want you to succeed and flourish and lead, that's unstoppable. i'm kim lawton in new york. the supreme court ruled in 2005 that a juvenile can not be sentenced to death, even if he committed murder. now, in a case from alabama, the court is expected to rule next month on whether a juvenile convicted of murder can be sentenced to life in prison without any possibility of parole. alabama law says that is the others say even if they are murderers, children deserve a chance to change. tim o'brien's report includes excerpts from the debate inside the court when the case was argued. >> the alabama case before the supreme court stems from the brutal killing of 52-year- old cole cannon, whose body was found in the charred ruins of his mobile home nine years ago. authorities first thought it to be an accident, but bruises on cannon's body and his broken ribs prompted them to investigate further. it turned out to be a murder committed by a neighbor, evan miller, who was only 14 years old, and his 16-year-old friend, colby smith. it was in the early morning hours, the three had been drinking heavily. when cannon appeared too drunk to resist, the teenagers tried to rob him, but a fight broke out. children are capable of committing horrible crimes, even 14-year-olds like evan miller, who beat his victim over the head with this baseball bat and then crushed his ribs with it. he then placed a sheet over his head and told him, "i am god. i have come to take your life." a fourteen-year- old, candy cheatham is the victim's daughter. >> even with that, he did not stop beating him, and they set the trailer on fire-there were at least three or four points of origin, and left my dad there to die. the cause of death was blunt force trauma to the head, and he had about seven or eight broken ribs in combination with the smoke inhalation. then they proceeded to brag to friends about what they did. >> murder in the course of another felony-in this case arson- is a capital offense in alabama, as it is in most states. the supreme court threw out the death penalty for juvenile offenders in 2005, so when the jury returned its guilty verdict, the judge could only sentence miller to life without parole. the supreme court won't allow more, and alabama law doesn't allow anything less for one convicted of capital murder. prosecutors say miller got what he deserved. >> our legislature and the people of our state believe that if you commit these type of crimes, there are only two punishments that are fitting, and that is either the death penalty or life in prison without parole so his protection is he's not going to get the death penalty, but he's going to be put away for the rest of his life. >> the supreme court is now expected to use the miller case to determine whether states are required to consider giving juveniles a second chance, no matter what they did. and each side is giving up a little in this case. alabama is not arguing that all juvenile murderers should be ineligible for parole, only those who commit the worst crimes, crimes that would bring a death sentence if the defendant were an adult. evan miller is represented by the equal justice initiative and its founder and executive director, bryan stevenson, and stevenson isn't asking anyone actually be given parole, only that when offenders are so young that at some point far down the road, they at least be allowed to demonstrate they are entitled to be set free. >> i think everyone is more than the worst thing they've ever done, and i think that policy makers can make decisions about how to punish them. but i think children are uniquely more than their worst act. they have quintessential qualities and characteristics that a decent society, a maturing society, an evolved society, we believe, is constitutionally obligated to recognize and protect. >> an argument stevenson pressed in court to a skeptical justice antonin scalia. >> i think the easier rule to write would be that there is a categorical ban on all life without parole sentences for all children up until the age of 18. >> how do i come to that decision? what, do i just consult my own preferences on this matter? something like 39 states allow it. i mean, the american people, you know, have decided that's the rule. they allow it, and the federal government allows it so i'm supposed to impose my judgment on what seems to be a consensus of the american people? >> john neiman, alabama's solicitor general, says life without parole is a reasonable alternative to the death penalty, even for juveniles. >> the theory and the thought is that if someone doesn't deserve the death penalty for that particular crime they deserve life without parole. that's the appropriate way to express society's outrage at these sorts of aggravated murders. it is reasonable for legislatures to conclude that they're going to draw a line in the sand with respect to aggravated murder, such that as a floor in terms of the appropriate punishment the defendant is going to get, at the very least, life without parole, a punishment that's no doubt severe, but one that is less severe than the impact the crime has had on society. >> but attorney bryan stevenson reminded the justices that they have acknowledged in their past decisions that because children do not think like adults, they are less culpable. >> and the decision-making of children, the thinking of children is categorically different. they're not thinking three steps ahead, they're not thinking about consequences. they're not actually experienced enough with the world to understand how they deal with their frustrations in the same way that an adult is, and so their judgments about what they intend to do, their declarations mean something very, very different. >> at one point, the state's demand for retribution appeared to give way to a justice's concern for a child. >> the principle justification in this case lies with the retributive principle. the punishment for this crime reinforces the sanctity of human life, and it expresses the state's moral outrage that something like this could >> you say the sanctity of human life, but you're dealing with a 14-year-old being sentenced to life in prison, so he will die in prison without any hope. i mean, essentially you're making a 14- year-old a throw-away person. >> society needs to be protected, and it's not throwing away a juvenile. if he wants to be rehabilitated, that can happen behind bars. it's just too high of a cost to risk. >> candy cheatham remembers her father as a "good man" and says how he died will haunt her for as long as she lives. >> if we win, the united states will still have the harshest punishment scheme for children in the world. we will still have very severe punishments in place to punish any offender who commits an aggravated crime. >> the court was sharply divided in 2005 when it found the death penalty unconstitutional for juvenile offenders. whether juveniles may also be spared life in prison with no parole when they commit murder isn't any easier. although some justices were sympathetic, others are known to feel that these decisions are best left to juries and state legislatures, not federal judges. the court's opinions, and there will surely be several, are due in the next month. for religion & ethics newsweekly, i'm tim o'brien at the supreme court. >> in other news, an estimated 40,000 ultra- orthodox jewish men gathered at the new york met's citi field last weekend for a rally on the dangers of the internet. organizers say they are worried about on-line pornography and the way in which the internet changes social behavior. although no women were allowed to attend, they were able to watch as the event was streamed live over the internet. and tied to memorial day, a legal organization that focuses on religion cases released a music video highlighting what it calls the attack on veterans' memorials. liberty institute says memorials such as the mt. soledad cross in california have been targeted by groups that object to their religious imagery. the memorials have faced legal challenges in the past from opponents who argue their presence on public land violates the separation of church and state. finally, on our calendar, the jewish holiday of shavuot begins at sundown on saturday. shavuot commemorates the giving of the torah to moses on mount sinai. sunday is pentecost for western christians when they celebrate god's gift of the holy spirit to the church. according to the new testament, the holy spirit came to jesus' followers and caused them to speak in tongues. on tuesday, bahai's observe the anniversary of the ascension of bahaullah, when they commemorate the death of their founder in 1892. and as we noted, monday is memorial day. that's our program for now. i'm bob abernethy. you can follow us on twitter and facebook, find us on youtube, and watch us anytime, anywhere on smart phones. there's also much more on our web site, including more of kim lawton's interview with serene jones. you can comment on all of our stories and share them. audio and video podcasts are also available. join us at pbs.org. as we leave you this memorial day weekend, scenes from arlington national cemetery.
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