Be, right . We talk with top trump adviser Rudy Giuliani and clinton supporter bernie sanders. And is russia hacking the election . The latest on the Security Threat from abc news, its this week. Here now, george stephanopoulos. Good morning. Is in the october surprise . Breaking news from the New York Times. The ban erp headline. Trump tax records could have avoided paying taxes for yeerps. The story has trumps tax records from 1995 and they detail a 916 million loss, a loss he could have used to avoid paying federal taxes on income over 18 years. And that puts this exchange from mondays debate in a whole new light. Maybe he doesnt want the American People, all of you watching tonight, that know that hes paid nothing in federal paying taxes making him smart, what does it make the rest of us. All through the campaign, trump has said a Business Plan pays as little taxes as possible. He could have paid nothing for years and years. The evidence, the 1995 tax records, show he had billion v millions of dollars in losses from an airline and the plaza hotel. The Trump Campaign with this statement. A responsibility to his business, his family and flows to pay no more tax than legally required. Did it not say trump paid federal income taxes and trumps team threatened legal action against the times saying the boxments were illegally obtained. And traump last night, a brand new assault on Hillary Clinton mocking her recent bout with her car. Give me a break. Give me a break. And questioning her marriage. I dont even think shes loyal to bill, you want to know the truth. And really, folks, really, why should she be . Right . Why should she be. All this as a brand new poll shows a clear over trump. And trumps favorablety rating is up to 64 . Rue zi giuliani coming. But right now, we are joined by Suzanne Craig and david barstow. Tell us how it began. Ten daps ago, you got a letter. . It was a week ago last friday. Roughly ten days ago. It was friday afternoon. I was on a deadline for another story and i swung by my mailbox. Was an envelope there from somebody in the Trump Organization and i opened it and there were several pages of Donald Trumps tax returns in it. The return address was trump tower. Do you have evidence it was from trump to you center. That is what the return address said and we started to unravel who it might have been and who could confirm it. David that is when you went down to florida and actually found trumps accountant from the time . Yeah, obviously a c doc documents . Its a small circle of people do that. One of those is jack mintic who served as trumps accountant for many decades. Soy presented what had been sent to us and asked him to take a look. And he looked at them and said, variety of reasons. Lets talk about what they show enter dont show. You cant say for sure whether or not he paid income taxes for the last 18 years but it shows he could wry off over 916 million in income . That is exactly correct. One of the tax expert came to him with the tax return what he would say is congratulations, you can earn and not pay a nick knell taxes. All legally. All legally under the loopholes. We are hearing from trumps lawyer this morning, they are threatening legal action. Last time i checked, it was about crime to check your mailbox. They are saying its ridiculous. So it would be a crime for someone inside the tax but its not illegal to publish them. That is what our layers are saying. 9 11ly, any more documents coming . We hope. Were at the New York Times and we check our mail back. 628 8th avenue. Thank you. We are joined by Rudy Giuliani. Thanks for coming in. What is your response to the story . My response is, hes a genius. A genius ago, perfectly legal. Perfectly legal. We should get that straight. Its a perfectly legal application of the tax code and he could have been a fool not to take advantage of it. Be he probably would have breached his duty to investors, to his business. You have an obligation when you run a business to maximize the profits and if there is a tax law that says i can deduct this, can sue you. You say test a genius. One says it reveals Donald Trumps failures. He failed to pax taxes while tens of millions of families paid theirs. Well, thats not clear it was 1. 8 million dlsh. 916 million. Last year for example he made 625 million. Fp he had one year in which he made 1 wiped it out in one year. So its unlikely that it carried forward with 18 years. That is the amount of income he was making. Second, every great man has had failures and the art of the deal, he explains it. Steve jobs was firped from apple and had nothing. The reality, this man, 26 years ago, had some failures and then he built an empire. For the United States. This a genius hon how to take advantage of legal rem 2ki7s that you k help your Company Survive and grow. I want a man who is genius to take this country, where its moving in the wrong direction where we have had a jobless recovery and growth of less than 2 in two years that is pathetic. Dont you think a man with an economic genius states . And mr. Trump in the past has criticized people for not paying taxes. A tweet from 2012. Half of americans dont pay income tax because of the crippling Government Debt and in the campaign he has taken on Hedge Fund Managers who have avoided taxes. The Hedge Fund Guys get away with murder. They make a fortune. Its ridiculous. Pay no tax. Why is it fair . Why is this fair . If i run a company, and i do, and there are five deductions available to me and i dont take them, the people invested in the company can sue me for not doing that. And number two, my obligation in that circumstance is to save the company from he went down and came back up. America needs a turn around artist. Nobody believes that Hillary Clinton can turn america around. Its going to be obama 2 or obama 3. Whatever you want to call it. Higher taxes, less job, 1 growth. We put our head down. This man is man who know what is it feels like to fail and then how to come back from it. The statement from the Trump Federal income taxes in 18 years. Did he . Im not his lawyer. I scht he did because that kind of loss youre looking at, given the income he has had, says he probably paid off the Carry Forward very, very quickly. I have clients with Carry Forward that is twice that, three times that. That is part of what you do in business. If you didnt do it, you would be sued. Does it on trump to release the taxes . No president ial candidate in a generation has not released it suggests why he doesnt. Nobody understands the tax code. This is perfectly legal and he is in a box. If you dont do it, you get sued. And suggesting that he didnt pay federal taxes. If you give mow your money and i start a business and there are five deductions available to take advantage of two of them because it may make me look bad when im running for president or something else, then youre going to sue me. For not taking advantage of that deduction. And that is what happened here. And it shows what a genius he is, how smart he is, how intelligent he is. Huh strategic he is. I want that working for me. I dont want see if he is produce the results for us. Had e is not going to produce the returns . Had e is going to produce the finished when everything is clarified. The returns from 2002 to 2008 are not under audit. This man is audited every year. Never once has had a criminal charge brought against him. He operates he understands the law. He operates within it and he understands on the other side how he can get sued. I would rather have a person who turn around artist than a person who is a failure basically as secretary of state. Lets mef on to last night. We showed in the piece earlier, mr. Trump mocking Hillary Clinton with the bout with pneumonia and questioning her marriage to bill clinton. Is that a smart tragedy . I dont see last night. The reality is, she at the end night live said it beautifully, and she mentioned the model and made it appear as lester holt brought it up. She was programmed to bring it up. Trump took the debate, didnt he . He brings up this woman. This woman goes back 20 years or so. She has a very unfortunate past. She was a driver in a bank robbery. She brought that into this. She brought personal life into it. He brought it up every day since then. Im asking was that smart . I cant tell you whether or not that is smart. She is the one who sbre deuced it. We will tell by who wins the election whether or not it was smart. You want to bring personality into it, hillary, and your husband has a history that he has and you have a history of attacking the women the only are the ones who say they have been victimized by her husband. We have 20, 30, 50 . Campaigns in the past, you go back to 1998, during the impreachment, the House Republicans they lose seats. Your own advisered looked to bring it up and said it was a bad idea. I think its a bad idea to focus on president clintons personal life. That is his personal life. She is attacking donald trump, well, we have to respond how she deals with women. She has to take money from governments that kill women, from governments that stone women. Take money from governments that have women who cant drive cars. Not just money. Millions and tens of millions of dollars from countries in which women are treated like prooperty and killed when they get raped. And so lecture me, hillary, on feminism because youre a phony. You suggested this week that donald trump might not shouldnt go to the debate. Is it fair . Of course, there is no question he is going to the stekd debate. Fy said something to suggest the opposite that is not what i intended. I think the first debate was extremely unfair. When he corrected donald trump. And stop and frisk, by the way, ladies and gentlemen, is constitutional. That is not way its done in new york at the time. That happens all the time. If a person does a Home Invasion a search of your home and doesnt follow the constitution that is unconstitutional. But does it make it unconstitutional . It makes it unconstitutional applied. Hillary clinton knows that, and lester holt didnt know she said it was a goal standard. She made a very definitive statement. He never corrected her. Why . Mr. Trump will be there next sunday. Yeah. Thanks for coming in. And we are joined by a big supporter of Hillary Clinton, her former opponent, bernie sanders. Thanks for coming in this morning. I want to start with the big New York Times story on donald dth is a genius. Your response . If everybody in the country was a genius, we would not pay taxes. We would not have a country. I think its outrageous and it speaks to one of the issues that Hillary Clinton talked about, i have talked about. We have massive wealth in the country today. Rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and billionaires are able to manipulate the texas system so they avoid paying federal income in addition to that, you have massive tax avoidance by corporation, hundreds of millions of dollars. If mr. Giulianis that mr. Trump is smart and all the rest of us are dummies because we believe in america, we believe in our kids, we believe in national defense, they have a distorted view of the American People. You can see what mr. Trump did, according to the story s legal, correct . Right. Assuming that it is legal, what it tells you, you have a corrupt tax system which says to ordinary people, you have supposed to pay your taxes. But if youre a billionaire there are loopholes you can utilize that may enable you, if you are a billionaire, not pay your taxes. Warren buffett reminds us over and over again that his effective tax rate i his secretarys. That is absurd. And trump wants to make a bad situation worse by appealing the estate tax, appeals to the top 2 . And secretary clinton and i believe the wealthiest people in the country should pay their fair share. Hillary clinton made it a february. I want to play them and get your response. She is talking about your supporters. Their children of the great recession. They are living in their parents basement, if you feel you are consigned to being a barista or a job that doesnt pay much or have a ladder of opportunity attached to it, then the idea that maybe you can be a part of the Political Revolution is pretty here is what donald trump treat about that. Crooked h. Is nasty to sand erps supporters behind closed doors. Making a direct hit on your supporters. How did you take it . I took it exactly the opposite way. And what she said in the campaign, we do have our differences. Secretary clinton and i do completely correct. You have millions of young people, who took out homes to go to college and hoping to get decent jobs and they are unable to do that. And yes, they want a Political Revolution, they want to transform society and make sure when they get out of school, they can get a job that pays them wages and salaries with the education they have. I think that is a very important point and that is an issue as a nation we have got to address. How do we create goodpaying jobs for people who have a decent education . Clinton is talking about is rebuilding our infrastructure. And raise the minimal raise to a living wage so question can have decent jobs for all the people. A lot at supporters are Still Holding back from Hillary Clinton. What do you say to them . This is what i say, george. Look, we live in a tough world. Crises as we. And i would like people simply im noft going to tell people how to vote. Take a look at issue by issue. For example, Climate Change. A lot of young people are appropriately very concerned about Climate Change and what happens to her planet if we do not transform our energy system. Compare what donald trump says to what Hillary Clinton says. Donald trump is ignoring science. Is a hoax. Clinton has a serious plan to transform the system. Raising the minimum wage. Most americans know that a 7. 25 wage is not a living wage. In the first 100 days of her administration, if shes elected, she intends to lay out the Citizens UnitedSupreme Court decision that allows billionaires to buy elections. And i think if you look at clinton versus trump issue of sure. A lot of your supporters are not looking at clinton versus trump, they are looking at clinton versus gary johnson, and do you agree with president obama and the said a vote for anyone else is a vote for donald trump . Well this is what i think. I think its that the evidence is overwhelming. That is the next president of the United States is going to be Hillary Clinton or donald trump. And if youre voting for somebody else and not supporting Hillary Clinton because she does not live up to all of your specifications or all of your ideas, i think it is a vote for johnsons record on the economy. It is a very conservative approach. Something my supporters do not support. Senator sanders, thanks for joining us this morning. Thank you, jorng. 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