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>> go ahead. >> can i -- i want to answer my good friend john on this issue. he's not wrong about that, but remember, the bernie sanders plan was $6 trillion. the joe biden plan was 3.5 trillion, and now this number is not going to be above 1.75. having said that, the things that are in this bill, fgoverno, people are really popular, they're polling above 65%, whether it's helping parents taking care of their kids or elderly parents when they're sick or access to health care or all the other things in it that make sense. this is not some kind of far reaching bill. when you think about and i ag...

When my father came to this country august the 11th of 1963 he came at the height of the civil rights movement from jamaica. he came, and i said to him it was such a bad time for us why did you come, and he said because america was where the jobs and the opportunities were. and he only came with $1.75. $1.75. took any job he could find and he put himself through school and started his american dream and now he is comfortably retired and then he came and go me when i was six years old. when i stepped on that pan am boeing 737 and landed at jfk, i

And i'm paraphrasing here, your words, to one or two senators. one of those i expect you're speaking about is senator manchin, who made clear at the end of last week with the framework as it was that he was not supporting. he said there were shell games and budget gimmicks and that it would continue to balloon. it wouldn't be 1.75 trillion. since then, there's been a deal on prescription drug pricing. there's been movement on adding paid leave. you're talking about immigration here. does this not support or make his point that the bill will continue to balloon and make it less likely that it's...

Every important program in someone's life in this country is the difference between thriving and perhaps sort of falling off the brink versus the perception, unfair, i will land on the side of it being totally unfair, that democrats are struggling to get through the president's agenda. >> yeah, look, i think for this election, virginia, we're in a unique situation because the local newspaper for a lot of suburban and big counties in virginia is "the washington post." and they have seen a debate about a number, whether it's $3.5 or $1.75 or $1.9 or $2.5. i think there's a big job ahead of democ...

In a few years, that's how we'll talk about this. every plank of the agenda right now, is wildly popular. reaching the kind of numbers you can't just get with democrats. it's also republicans and independents. when americans can see what is in the package and hitting their checkbooks, the inboxes, and the ability to take kids to day care and elterly relatives, that's when people think this affects my family. >> why isn't what jess is saying, how it 's been sold all along? >> they try to blame the media for this. the media has been fixated on the bottom line. but the legislators have been f fax...