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Having vice president pence violate the 12th amendment, his oval office, and the electoral count act. and even in that way of showing that trump was willfully blind to the facts, or to the law. either one of those would have suffice to establish criminal intent to the points that the judge made in his witness statement when he said about the accountability of trump stealing the election. he said willful blindness to the law is not a legal defense. and he referred to it as criminal liability there, but that was clearly what it was talking about. >> i want to play an exchange. let's listen. >> t...

But, joe, when you look at the evidence, at some point, you have to amalgamate it all together and say it is overwhelming and it is important to americans there be some accountability here so this can never happen ben. >> interesting news yesterday on that front, by the way. we learned the doj requested transcripts of all the depositions conducted by this committee, showing their interest, perhaps, in some criminal prosecution here. john eastman was right at the center of yesterday's hearing. the committee acknowledging eastman acknowledged himself there was no legal basis for his theory to ov...

>> i appreciate that. in our investigation, the select committee obtained evidence suggesting dr. eastman never really believed his own theory. let me explain. on the screen, you can see a draft letter to the president from october 2020. in this letter, an idea was proposed that the vice president could determine which electors to count at the joint session of congress. but the person writing in blue eviscerates that argument. the person who wrote the comments in blue wrote, quote, the 12th amendment only says that the president of the senate opens the ballots in the joint session, and then, i...

The plan to steal the election. sort of like, okay, all can be forgiven now. it's unbelievable. i think the vice president's characterization of it is really accurate. andrea, you point out something really important here, which is that eastman blows back and forth with the wind. every time greg jacob, who is pence's chief counsel, comes at him with an explanation for why the plan is illegal or unconstitutional and jacob writes this very lucid three-page memo where he talks about how the 12th amendment and the electoral college act work and why they prohibit this sort of scheme that eastman ha...

Over again that she was in and out of the oval office, trying to convince her father to do something. extensive testimony that's already been released stating as such. there's a few things that really stood out to me yesterday. first of all, john eastman has been introduced into the scheme. i think he has been named as a co-conspirator. that ruling we keep referencing from judge david carter, the california district judge who ultimately has ordered that john eastman turn over his emails to the select committee, which they've recently received and are now sort of recalibrating in order to featu...