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18.2, 18 usc section 1512 a. also 1512, what is this? statutes that were passed in 2002. do you know what they are called? the enron statutes. to fill a gap that was -- that they felt needed to be applied because they didn't have what was necessary to charge certain executives with obstructing justice. this has nothing to do with what took place on january 6th or before january 6th or after january 6th. this matter that they have used against protesters on january 6th is extremely controversial and the supreme court hadn't decided it yet but cases are going to the supreme court on these counts...

There are some interesting things in here that we haven't seen before. it's hard given the fire hose of information that we've had over the last three years about this to figure out which things we've seen and which we haven't. most of it fundamental tracks the themes laid out and the facts that were drawn out in the january 6th hearings and including the charges. 371, 1512, conspiracy to defraud the united states and conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, those were the same statutes the january 6 committee were litigating about in front of the judge in los angeles when they were cont...

>> yes, ayman we sent him a subpoena and asked him actually, try to compel him to come in and tell the story. he ignored it. jack smith very similarly is giving him an opportunity to provide information that would bear upon prosecutorial decisions. not surprisingly, much like his response to us, which was silence. jack smith is getting the same. the offenses, they are identified in the target letter. very familiar to us. we looked at the entire federal criminal code we recommended that the justice department evaluate obstruction of an offiucial proceeding, 1512, conspiracy to defraud the unite...

Investigator, what was your reaction to the target letter that smith sent to trump this weekend and how much was matched up to what you and your colleagues were able to dig up and find? >> we sent him a subpoena and asked him -- actually tried to compel him to come in and tell us his story which he ignored. jack smith is giving him an opportunity to provide information that would bear upon a prosecutorial position, not surprisingly his response to us, which was silence. jack smith is getting the same. the offenses are identified in the target letter, very familiar to us. we looked at the entir...

6? >> hard to say, jim. probably closely. the select committee turned over all of our materials, all of our transcripts, all of the documents we had obtained, well beyond just the official committee report to the special counsel. the intent was for them to take those facts as part of their calculus as to whether or not criminal charges were appropriate. we also referred directly to the special counsel, the consideration of specific criminal charges. we cited 1512-c, the obstruction of official proceeding statute, conspiracy to defraud the united states, government, false statements for the sub...