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Conspiracy to make a false statement, and inciting, assisting, or aiding and comfortable an insurrection. aiding and comforting i want to ask you more about. the thing that stands out for those of us who watched this inentire time and have seen the related cases going on from the justice department, is that seditious conspiracy wound up not being a part of these referrals. can you just walk us through why that is? >> joy, first of all, thanks for having me and for being so attentive to these proceedings. would it be all right if i talk about what we did do and i think that will bring into shar...

It's aiding an insurrection, obstructing an official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the united states and conspiracy to make false statements. norm, which of these would be easiest to prove and which is the hardest? >> the 1512c charge is relatively discreet. you can focus on what trump did on the day of january 6th. he clearly knew he was throwing a spanner in the work in congress. he knew that mob he was addressing on the ellipse included armed individuals. he want the to go with them. he sicced the mob on mike pence. he did nothing for three hours to stop it. he said words of love to the...

I'm hallie jackson in washington. joined by my colleagues andrea mitchell and katy tur, as good to be with you as we continue our special coverage of the final meeting of the january 6th committee and the committee's decision to refer former president donald trump to the justice department for criminal charges. >> it will make the first former president ever to be the subject of a referral from congress. and laid out in detail today by the committee member and constitutional professor jamie raskin. >> the first criminal statute we invoke for referral is title 18 section 1512 c, which makes it ...

Former president donald trump and john eastman likely violated two federal criminal statutes. this is the starting point for our analysis today. the first criminal statute we invoked for referral therefore is title 18 section 1512 c, which makes it unlawful for anyone to corruptly obstruct, influence, or impede any official proceeding of the united states government. we believe that the evidence described by my colleagues today, and assembled throughout our hearings, warrant a criminal referral of former president donald j. trump, john eastman, and others for violations of this statute. the wh...

Masterminds and ringleaders get a free pass. mr chairman, as you know our committee had the opportunity last spring to present most of our evidence to a federaljudge to it that distinguishes our investigation from any other congressional investigation i can recall. in the context of resolving evidentiary issues in the eastman case, us district courtjudge examined a small subset of our evidence to determine whether it showed the likely commission of a federal offence. thejudge concluded, both formal president donald trump and john eastman likely violated two federal criminal statutes. this is t...