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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

we only had 37 states back then. the size of the population, the level of complexity in law, all of this has expanded so greatly, while the supreme court has not expanded at all. >> exactly. originally, there were only six supreme court justices. under abraham lincoln, there were ten supreme court justices. as you said earlier, they reduced it down to nine. in 1869. this is a decision made by the united states congress, as to what the appropriate number should be, and given the threat to the rights of the american people, from this supreme court, it is absolutely imperative that we change that number, and we make it possible for us to not wait a lifetime in order to reclaim these rights. yes, these justices, they are there for a lifetime appointment. but it shouldn't take us a lifetime, in order to correct this historic offer site.

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for generations. and this is a clear and present danger to our country, because this is the handpicked court of heritage. and other groups that have sought to have this control that will go back 50, 60, and more years in order to take off the books, protections that americans have taken for granted. >> so your legislation calls for 13 supreme court justices. which is a numeric match with the number of circuit courts of appeals we have in the country. we have 13 of those. when you go back to 1869, when they created the nine legislatively created the nine we have now, that matched the nine circuit courts of appeals that we had then. so you are just updating, exactly what they did in 1869. >> yeah, we update what they did in 1869.

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justices. as you said earlier, they reduced it down to nine. in 1869. this is a decision made by the united states congress, as to what the appropriate number should be, and given the threat to the rights of the american people, from this supreme court, it is absolutely imperative that we change that number, and we make it possible for us to not wait a lifetime in order to reclaim these rights. yes, these justices, they are there for a lifetime appointment. but it shouldn't take us a lifetime, in order to correct this historic offer site. >> senator ed markey, we have to squeeze in a commercial break here. i want to keep going with this. including where the supreme court is going, and how much more extreme they may be in future decisions. we're gonna squeeze in a quick break here, we'll be right back with senator ed markey.

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obama should have been able to make, created, so that the number goes to 13. which is the number that it should be right now. >> that number nine has been with all of us, all of our lives. obviously, since it's been there since 1969. when the number hangs around that long, i think it gets so set in peoples minds. that they think it's in the constitution and can't be changed. there's something sacred about it. the population of the united states, in 1869 was 38 million people. last than the number of people who live in the state of california now. we only had 37 states back then. the size of the population, the level of complexity in law, all of this has expanded so greatly, while the supreme court has not expanded at all. >> exactly. originally, there were only six supreme court justices. under abraham lincoln, there were ten supreme court

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illegitimate fog, right-wing supreme court, that is poised to overturn rights. that have been enshrining law for generations. and this is a clear and present danger to our country, because this is the handpicked court of heritage. and other groups that have sought to have this control that will go back 50, 60, and more years in order to take off the books, protections that americans have taken for granted. >> so your legislation calls for 13 supreme court justices. which is a numeric match with the number of circuit courts of appeals we have in the country. we have 13 of those. when you go back to 1869, when they created the nine legislatively created the nine we have now, that matched the nine circuit courts of appeals that we had then. so you are just updating, exactly what they did in 1869. >> yeah, we update what they did in 1869. and we create the 13 states. but we also reclaim the two stolen seats, that mcconnell, in 2016, and trump, in 2020, stole. then we had two more. so that we have appointments that biden and that president

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he basically got out of his cage and he basically ripped blinds off the windows, knocked computers off the desk. shredded furniture. $2,000 worth of damage but within 24 hours he got adopted. hopefully they just have the lock. >> brian: has been to a bridge not just any bridge. not the game of bridge but the brooklyn bridge. i'm talking about john, he started in 1869. he got distracted and didn't finish until 1883 to prove it was steady. b.t. barnum took 21 elephants across the bridge. okay, it's good for a wagon what about a car? it's now a national historic site and i still recommend anyone using the bridge even if you don't need to go to brooklyn, take the bridge. it's a once in a lifetime experience. >> dana: beautiful. >> brian: happy birthday, bridge. >> you don't need to go to brooklyn. see me doing stand up comedy june the 3rd. june the 10th mesa, arizona.

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as opposed to, as opposed to what their constituents believe. i think that that's exactly why we are leaning into the need for not just democracy reform at large, but court reform as well as a critical component of that. >> the constitution doesn't establish a number of supreme court justices, congress has done that. it's raised the number, is lowered the number, raised it again. it is set at nine since i believe 1869. the country has more than tripled in size since then in terms of population. it has more than tripled in terms of complexity, and american law has more than tripled in complexity. it is still just benign, deciding all of those issues that come to the court. how did you come to the conclusion that the court should be expanding? >> we also know the justices are living a lot longer than

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as opposed to, as opposed to what their constituents believe. i think that that's exactly why we are leaning into the need for not just democracy reform at large, but court reform as well as a critical component of that. >> the constitution doesn't establish a number of supreme court justices, congress has done that. it's raised the number, is lowered the number, raised it again. it is set at nine since i believe 1869. the country has more than tripled in size since then in terms of population. it has more than tripled in terms of complexity, and american law has more than tripled in complexity. it is still just benign, deciding all of those issues that come to the court. how did you come to the conclusion that the court should be expanding? >> we also know the justices are living a lot longer than their original life time span during their lifetime appointments. we came to this position because we fundamentally

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24th century interpretation pretending that they are going back to some religious text, that's 230 years old, in which they find some kind of biblical truth to them. and so, the supreme court, this nine member supreme court, has been a nine member court since 1869. we changed the size of it before that time, a couple of times. we could change the size of it again, that would be a constitutional amendment. we could also change the second amendment. there was a time in this country when if there was some kind of confusion at all about what the second amendment meant, we could do a constitutional amendment with the general agreement of this country to say, this is what it means, and write it in a way that will be designed to stop this kind of thing in texas. >> and i think -- i think when you are thinking of a permanent solution, i think something like rewriting the second

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the opportunity arises, the second amendment interpretation back to its sort of pre-2008 status quo. and remember, prior to thousand eight, it's not that people could not have their hands on guns. it's not that weapons were unavailable to americans who want them. but there is more space, more room, and more expectation that we could regulate guns. and one thing i'd like to emphasize that i want to emphasize here is that there's been a massive increase in the number of guns in circulation in the united states since about 2008. you can really think of the past 15 years as being a kind of experiment, a social experiment in what happened, you just flood a society with guns. and it's not working. very clearly, it's not creating a safer society, not creating a so-called blight society, it's creating a very scary society. >> yeah, congress change the size of the supreme court a few times before 1869, and then it's been locked in since then

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