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Financial transaction must be listed. and if it's not, you can't just simply update it. you have to file an amended sf-86. so there is an incredible sequence and dance that goes through here. and if you're like phil that's been doing this for 35 years, it's pretty easy because you started and then you updated every year. i met one person in a conference. i did this. when you have to go back for 15, 20 years and list it, it's a pretty dogging task. >> but his first form was blank. >> settling it is no mean feat. that's not saying it's an excuse, but it's a little more in-depth than people might...

That's not saying it's an excuse, but it's a little more in-depth than people might understand. >> what does that have to do with the president overriding? >> it doesn't. that explains some of the holes, why it wasn't done. i think there is no objection. the president should have said listen, this is my person who is doing middle east peace. i determined he is necessary for this job, and just say it. >> but if it is business -- look, he was meeting with chinese companies trying to get a bill out for 666, the building in new york, he is the guy who is dealing with qatar in saudi arabia and midd...

Policy experience. do you have any sense of what exactly this was about? >> first of all, we just have to look at 666 fifth avenue and the dilemma that they had. it almost took the kushner family fortune under. following up on the government shutdown and i represent more federal plemployees. one real concern was they could get behind on their bills and mortgage and lose their security clearance and lose their job. the number one people don't get security clearances is because of financial difficulties. the isis exactly what jared kushner brings to the table, very complex financial entanglement...

Entanglements. let's not forget, these were people with unusual background who is came to work in the trump administration. many had not had clearances before, had not been in government, so you expect that would pose some delay. what you would not expect is that the process would be overridden. and the question now is, did the white house or the president get involved in any other cases where the clearance process was disregarded, essentially. >> malcolm, last year "the washington post" reported that china, the uae, israel, and mexico had all been overheard discussing ways that they could man...

>> that's a great point because mika and i had grave concerns during the transition and we expressed those concerns. actually, i expressed them to skra jared and to others that he needed to decide whether he was going to work inside the white house or he was going to raise money for 666. you couldn't do both, i told him, stupid me, little diknow he was going to do both. his father's doing both. and we've talked about this a lot over the past two and a half years. if you don't understand donald trump's foreign policy, then follow the money. >> yup. >> and, no, not the political money. follow th...