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Trumpcare fails not lash out at democrats, but take responsibility like paul ryan. i think lying or not, we don't know intent, but at the same time, we're sugarcoating and maybe people on the right say, president trump, stop, you're lying -- >> but there's a complete double standard. >> the perception is that he's not honest. the new poll from quinnipiac says that 60% of people believe he's not honest. >> that's a public perception issue that i think is engendered by large part by the left. i don't understand why the left can come on and say over and over again there's collusion between the tr...

Moral intent, as it were, to someone by saying that they've lied, i think you run the risk that you look like you are being -- you're not being objective. >> joining us now, jonathan, msnbc political analyst, and columnist from the "daily beast." back with us, michael d'antonio. your verdict on the 9/11 thousands of muslims celebrating in nrew jersey. do you call it a lie? if not, what do you call it? >> untrue and a falsehood. i'm not sure it's a lie because in trump's fantasy mind, he might have believed it. he believes all kinds of conspiracy theories, he might have read it online somewhere...

>> joining us now, jonathan, msnbc political analyst, and columnist from the "daily beast." back with us, michael d'antonio. your verdict on the 9/11 thousands of muslims celebrating in new jersey. do you call it a lie? if not, what do you call it? >> untrue and a falsehood. i'm not sure it's a lie because in trump's fantasy mind, he might have believed it. he believes all kinds of conspiracy theories, he might have read it online somewhere. and believed a lie, repeated a lie, but i think a lie is more like when he said, you know, hillary clinton wants to abolish the 2nd amendment. he knows it...

African-americans and nosht minority americans. if there are people in a mosque that do something wrong, surveil those people. >> that's all he's saying. it's much broader. the idea that thousands of muslims rallied in new jersey and celebrated after 9/11 paints a picture. why would you bring this up 14 years in a campaign that should be about the economy and foreign policy? >> because paris was just attacked and isis has targeted the united states. that's why he's being talked about now. >> katrina, can i jump in here for a second? >> go ahead, ryan. >> can i just jump in here. you talked abo...