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I think 12 years enough. and going into 20 , 30 , 40 , 50 , i don't think so. >> raymond. okay, it's not that the whole democrat party has lost a narrative is that they have a man who's physically and sorry, mentally lost. any time he approaches a stage, whether in trying to go off r exiting the stage. so they're disasters.he yoiru can' dist spin it. we told them it wasn't a pr problem. it was a policy problem. wasand the ever anxious gavinm newsom doesn't seema to understand that it's notn't n messaging, it's policy gaffe.de >> you can't create a narrative yoe with lies, particularly when l y...

>> joining us now, jonathan, msnbc political analyst, and columnist from the "daily beast." back with us, michael d'antonio. your verdict on the 9/11 thousands of muslims celebrating in new jersey. do you call it a lie? if not, what do you call it? >> untrue and a falsehood. i'm not sure it's a lie because in trump's fantasy mind, he might have believed it. he believes all kinds of conspiracy theories, he might have read it online somewhere. and believed a lie, repeated a lie, but i think a lie is more like when he said, you know, hillary clinton wants to abolish the 2nd amendment. he knows it...

Taxes because i'm under audit. he knows that's a lie. there are certain more clear-cut lies. we don't want to call every falsehood that comes out of his mouth a lie or we'd be going liar, lie e, liar all day long and debase the currency of calling him to account. what i really objected to about what baker said, he said at the risk of losing our impression of objectivity, he has put objectivity and balance at the very top of journalistic values and at the top of our values, at the top our hierarchy of values is truth. balance and objectivity are a little further down below truth and accuracy. a...

Just incredible. >> poppy, this story is remarkable. and there are so many developing facets. not only those three victims, their stories, their homecomi s homecomings, also those tlie e three suspects, yet to be charged, what their stories are, what they're going to face, what their culpability may be in all of this. we're going to continue on the coverage of what's going to happen on those three men, but at the same time critically focus on the well-being of these victims of this horrendous ten-year deal. the pictures are coming live to us from our cleveland affiliate wkyc. this is the live ...