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We've been long-time friends. as a lawyer, forget your political views, do you see a potential crime there? >> i think if we're going to investigate president trump over evidence that it looks increasingly flimsy to me, the only fair thing we can do in our society is look at the facts of the biden case. i think a fair-minded person would reach that conclusion and that's how i see it. >> sean: emily, you're a lawyer. >> to add two other things to the analysis, to tell you the circumstances and also timing. so, for some reason, hunter biden all of a sudden developed his expertise in the gas indu...

But it now seems as if the entire u.s./ukraine relationship over the past several months has been viewed by the president as simply a mechanism to try to advance his political interests, and that's likely why this becomes an urgent national security concern, because the focus of our relationship with the ukraine prior to zelenskiy's ascension to the presidency was around sending a message to russia that their aggression in the region would be met with a firm response from the united states. by turning it into just a mechanism to try to help the president's re-election, that is of grave consequ...

Mechanism to try to help the president's reelection, that is of grave consequence to u.s. national security. >> now, the president tried to drag you into this by essentially claiming your contacts with the ukrainian government, your discussions with president zelenskiy themselves should be seen as improper, which is sort of weird what about-ism, he accused you of having threatened the government of ukraine. i have to ask your response to that. >> that is an interesting mind trick by the president, to suggest that i am engaged in corruption because i'm telling the ukrainian government to not as...

Learned that. >> juan: yeah, i think a lot of that is speculation. >> dana: oh. >> juan: i hear people saying well, what about joe biden's tax returns? we have never seen trump's tax returns. that's what we know. here is what else we know. we know about this phone call and we know. >> greg: that's it's nothing. >> juan: constitution of the united states that says you can't do that. >> katie: where is that? >> greg: you can't call. >> juan: defend and preserve the constitution of the united states. cannot get involved in getting foreign governments. >> katie: that's not what it says. >> jesse: ...

What aboutism, so what you hear, you are the perfect person to ask about this, joe biden withheld, threatened to withhold millions of dollars in aid from ukraine because of corruption, so what's wrong with president trump threatening to withhold millions in dollars in aid because of corruption. can you explain the difference? >> yeah, well, a couple of things. one is the whole world was pressuring ukraine to disbatch this prosecutor because he was looking -- he was overlooking corruption including politically motivated murders, and biden was merely amplifying what world leaders were calling fo...