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Information or reason to charge this person with a crime, then probably that is going to be the opinion that that district attorney gives to the grand jury as well. bill: one more comment here and we heard it in lead in to you by the shiver. his level of remorse is apparently very high. does that factor into this. and if so in what way? >> well, it certainly can. it is a terrible tragedy for the man who ended up having to kill another human being to protect his daughter, because he's going to have to live with this for the rest of his life, and surely that kind of an emotional thing will have ...

His resignation and most of the news media is not interested in the story. bill: let me get to both of those points in a moment. here is what cornyn wrote though. this is part of what he said. he writes, the gun-walking scandal has destroyed mr. holder's credibility. he continues, we need an attorney general will put justice before politics. is that typical talk? >> no. i think it is tougher than what you usually hear from john cornyn in particular. i think republicans are very frustrated and their frustration is frankly understandable. you've had the justice department stonewalling on these d...

Shannon, do you think is going to be the most critical in this case? >> well, of course you have brian mcnamee who was a trainer an was the one who was accused of and has talked about injecting roger clemens with these different performance-enhancing drugs. its not about whether or not he use he the drugs it's about whether he lied to congress about using them. mcimcnamee's testimony is critical. you have his former teammate andy pettitte who was on the stand in this trial as he was in the previous one. in the past he talked about a conversation in which clemens told him about using drugs. in ...

And the current narrative about progress misses the opportunity to connect and point forward. what carville talks about is having empathy. he worked for bill clinton. is barack obama capable of that empathy. >> he's very disconnected from the ordinary people and the congress. this is a guy who basically takes his own counsel and most of the positions that he's taken have been his own positions. now he has to go out and defend them. it's not the campaign he'd like to run but at the same time there aren't policies or successes that he can go out and make his case in the country with. bill: could...

As such. bill: that vote in effect is scheduled for june 20th, a week from today. >> right. bill: what do you think republicans do in the house? >> i think republicans will almost unanimously or overwhelmingingly vote to hold him in contempt. the question is what democrats do? i think that puts democrats in a very difficult position because anybody who followed the facts of this case understands what the justice department is doing. they haven't been forthcoming. they haven't been cooperative. democrats who vote against this contempt of congress will have to answer for that. bill: get to the b...