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billionaire wenliang. basically it is tied directly to the chinese government. >> it's a big issue. there is a lot of other ways the chinese government and saudis and other ways to help the world if that is what they want to do. they want something out of it. what i really want to see in the e-mails, any e-mail that mentions the foundation and one of the donors. i am really prouded of you for giving james carville such a pass. what carville did was give up the goods. he admitted this was not a matter of convenience. he admitted the reason she did this was so she didn't have to comply with the oversight of the house and with the natural laws of transparency. he gave up the goods. he sold her out. >> charles? >> the chinese donation is
longer and longer. what carville basically said was she was going this to hide stuff. if you're going to be secretary of state in an administration that claims to be the most transparent, you're held to standards greater than she didn't want lois gohmert going through her inbox. i'm sorry, that's the case. >> jonathan just to clear up as we reported last wednesday when the ig report came out, she may have thought that all of her e-mails to state department colleagues were being ar kifed but as we now learned, they weren't, in fact very few if any were. >> well right, and so let's say -- what we're finding out is the safeguards that she thought and whole lot of other people in the state department thought were in place weren't in place. so even if she were on the state department server those e-mails probably wouldn't be there
and the current narrative about progress misses the opportunity to connect and point forward. what carville talks about is having empathy. he worked for bill clinton. is barack obama capable of that empathy. >> he's very disconnected from the ordinary people and the congress. this is a guy who basically takes his own counsel and most of the positions that he's taken have been his own positions. now he has to go out and defend them. it's not the campaign he'd like to run but at the same time there aren't policies or successes that he can go out and make his case in the country with. bill: could he be effective or not. >> there is no question he will give some great speeches and inspire his base. whether he'll convince enough to give him a majority i don't think so. bill:ed rollins, thank you for your time. seven minutes past the hour. martha: we are awaiting a verdict in the roger clemens retrial. closing arguments yesterday in
now. it will take a number of different directions. >> i know you've got to get to the radio. lynn sweet, let me show what carville said, as well. he says the voters are very sophisticated about the character of the economy and know who is mainly responsible for what went wrong and hungry to hear the president talk about the future. they will nope we are in a new normal where life is a struggle and convincing them that thing are good enough for those who found jobs is a fool's errands. basically he's saying there's too much looking back what tim pawlenty referred to as whining and complaining. that's not the language carville used but he's saying you have to look ahead if you want the middle class, people who live in chicago like you and i did to feel better here. the middle america out there, if you will. >> well, what's remarkable about what carville said is that he said it. he certainly has multiple chabls into the campaign and to the democrats in the white house to say what he wanted to say.
what i'm hearing from big donors, there's a real hesitation. >> but to go back to what carville has been saying, there is more about weakness, division, fractured party, unable to find a candidate. not a high turn out. that's the kind of thing that can hurt someone like mitt romney in a head-on against barack obama. national polls will show, i think weakening of his position. that will play back into this. >> it just looks like a party that is holding its nose. and saying, all right. >> we haven't got a better option. >> we will just may have to -- >> barack obama tonight will feel good. >> he is a guy who should be in trouble. if you look at numbers and look at his performance and you know, look at 45% approval rating, has been for months -- >> let's bring under some republicans here. ari, are you depressed tonight? >> no, i think is nonsense. i think people are way overplaying the impact of one meaningless caucus night.
family and his friends is just get out of the race and go back to texas. this man is evidently not up to this. he had plenty of chances to do it. he can't debate, he can't give a speech. he can't hold a position paper, he can't go on television. >> i love the bottom line, the way he talks. carville and perry can agree on one thing, debates are not rick's strong suit. next up, put the birther talk to bed. well, rick perry, he welcomed the obama birth certificate hysteria back into the conversation, as you know, this week, and later insisted he was just joking. but at least one of other members of the 2012 field has had enough of this talk. >> when i see one of my colleagues, governor perry, who starts talking about birtherism again, i cringe. i say, as a party, if we're going to win this election, we've got to focus on the issues that are germane for the american family. it's been settled, folks. it's been settled. the president's a citizen of the united states. i mean, how much more do we have to talk about it? let's move on to the real issues
this is -- you know, forced pregnancy, forced pregnancy and dictating to women the kind of birth control they can use, the kind of help that they can seek out when they find themselves unable to get pregnant, it shows such a profound disrespect for women's liberty and women's autonomy and women's ability to make their own decisions. >> i think they ought to have those million people marches for life against young men having unprotected sex with young women with no intention of having a child. you want to stop abortion, you stop the circumstances that lead to people who feel they have to have one. this is so logical and they don't do it. they just want to prevent people from having a free will at a certain point, is what they're really up to. anyway, thanks, michelle. we'll do more report on this. i think it's an end run on the constitution. up next, the raging cajun unloads on the republican field. catch carville doing what carville does next, he's a smart guy, in the sideshow, up next on msnbc. looking good! you lost some weight.
back to "hardball." now for the sideshow. first up, so much for sugar coating it. you didn't expect democratic strategist james carville to be heaping praise on any of the republican presidential candidates, but he's now throwing verbal punches at the front-runners like you've never seen. let's hear carville's strategy for figuring out when mitt romney's about to make another one of those well-known flip-flops we talked about earlier. >> the man is a serial wind sock. anytime that you turn around, it's something else. and once he uses any kind of adjective in front of it, you know he's getting ready to flip-flop. if he's very committed to it, that means he's going to change positions. and if he's 110% for something, that means he's changing positions. >> here he is on the subject of rick perry. >> the best thing rick perry could go for himself and his
back to "hardball." now for the sideshow. first up, so much for sugar coating it. you didn't expect democratic strategist james carville to be heaping praise on any of the republican presidential candidates, but he's now throwing verbal punches at the front-runners like you've never seen. let's hear carville's strategy for figuring out when mitt romney's about to make another one of those well-known flip-flops we talked about earlier. >> the man is a serial wind sock. anytime that you turn around, it's something else. and once he uses any kind of adjective in front of it, you know he's getting ready to flip-flop. if he's very committed to it, that means he's going to change positions. and if he's 110% for something, that means he's changing positions. >> here he is on the subject of rick perry. >> the best thing rick perry could go for himself and his family and his friends is just get out of the race and go back