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mean to step on you. it a huge component. zoe said a couple little things, they're playing it cupkind of c because they will have a hearing next week but i expect in fact, they've got some real combustible stuff that is going to break big when they do it and she's being kind of coy about it. so i think you can expect some fairly big bombshells. >> well, let's bring you in here, ron. you're not meant to be coy. i know you're not. you're a straight shooter. cipollone defended trump in the first impeachment hearing. he's no never trumper by any stretch of the imagination. the fact he's ...

Going to incur legal bills and there is reputational damage and remember, mark meadows isn't just dealing with this stuff. he's dealing with the issue of voting when he voted from north carolina that many people questioned was not his actual residence. so i think in many respects, mark meadows does come out of this very damaged. i don't see a warrant around it. this is the case if too many people that work in that administration they just are trying to get their reputations and lives back in order after this very difficult and traumatic experience that they had to endure for significant amount...