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Market. >> saving them money is important and a good goal to have, but if you are putting more people on the titanic, you just sipg the ship faster. i would want to see what she's doing to improve the solve enssf the system. right now, according to the actuaries, that's just not the case. i mean, we're running risk in all three of these big systems. social security, medicare, and medicaid are all slowly going bankrupt. i would like to see a lot more focus on making them stable before we talk about expanding them. >> congressman sam stein here. one thing you will have to do as a member of the h...

Yes. well, they will -- the cbo will be looking at the legislation with the cruz amendment, i think, probably without the cruz amendment, and giving us their feedback and there will be others who are looking at it. there are actuaries out there from the insurance companies giving us feedback on that and i think there will be others who are modeling this to see what these impacts might be and we're interested in all that information as we move forward. >> so a cbo score before a vote, just to confirm. >> well, there will be a cbo score, yeah. i mean i think -- >> before the vote, correct? >> on...

Many of us have studied. you have a whole lot of ideas about how to fix the system which isn't really in the way of how we're trying to do it here. if you were actually looking to fix things, one of the most controversy althings that i've seen that you've written is that you think under obamacare the oldest person can be charged three times the rate that someone younger can be charged. under the republican bill, they're looking at increasing that. you actually think the ratio should be five to one and you said if the aarp hadn't been involved, it might have been. >> the aarp got to the democra...

-- midterm elections next year. >> i have a question about potentially the number of people who could lose coverage. i was looking at page four of the cbo report. it basically says that 15 million of those people, of the 22 million, are going to be losing their insurance because the individual mandate is going away. help me walk through this. so is this -- a situation where the report is saying that these 15 million people were only signed on to insurance because they were trying to avoid the penalty, and when there's no more penalty they're not going to want insurance anyway? >> there is some...

And then we'll have actuaries that will step in. this is part of the journey. you do it, you have it scored, you do it, you have it scored and you go on. >> cbo says yeah, but. you and the but on premiums going down, if you are in a state that cuts back on essential health benefits, then your out of pocket costs go up and if you have a pre-existing condition, your premiums my skyrocket even if you're in a risk pool. what is your philosophy on how to deal with that issue? >> i would say that's a big part of our conversation in the senate, trying to take care of those folks with pre-existing con...