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CNN The Lead With Jake Tapper December 6, 2013 21:38:00

An ever-increasing size of government that has taken over and is controlling people s lives and obama care is front and center in that. ryan, what gives? i think we have to add apartheid f.w. de klerk, such a better person than mitch mcconnell. we have to add apartheid to that list of issues you shouldn t compare in modern american politics right. naziism, slavery, apartheid. there are issues that were unique historically and no matter how bad you think things are in american politics right now, comparisons are never going to be apt. nelson mandela supported universal health care. i think the comparison, like the pope, i think the comparison is kind of i would tell you this. i think neither side should be using the man, a dead man, deceased man we are honoring to make cheap political shots. amen to that. ana, ryan, neera, you guys continue in the green room. next on the lead, nelson mandela is being remembered as an icon but at one time he was a ....

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CNN The Lead With Jake Tapper December 6, 2013 21:44:00

there had been such a great buildup, such anticipation. we were very akin to the south african apartheid struggle because apartheid in the south of our own country. we coordinated our activities and we knew that his persecution was redemptive. he walked in that room and jake, he recognized me which really threw me off because he had seen the 84 and 88 campaigns, very much aware of what we were doing in the country. you could feel his presence and his being so present. you would think being out of the mix for 27 years he would be detached. he hit the ground running. in the 1980s, as i don t need to remind you but many viewers may not be old enough to remember, president reagan designated the african national congress a terrorist group and vetoed a bill by congress to push for mandela s release. ....

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CNN The Lead With Jake Tapper December 6, 2013 21:45:00

Congress later overrode the veto. what do you remember about that very divisive time, the 80s when apartheid was such a heated debate all over the country but especially on college campuses? well, the u.s. chose de klerk and botha and the apartheid regime as our ally. i can hear kissinger saying now iran and the shah and botha and de klerk [ inaudible ]. and therefore, the apartheid is an internal problem. it had no moral standing in the world so people began to rebel against it. but clearly, president reagan and u.s. policy was pro-white south africa and really, mr. mandela was on the terrorist list until july 1st, 2008, taken off by president george bush. until 2008 he was still on the terrorist list. he said some things that were ....

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CNN The Lead With Jake Tapper December 6, 2013 21:35:00

These trolls versus non-trolls is really that it s not like nelson mandela wasn t controversial. he did get a lot of conservatives attacking him over the years and the anti-apartheid movement had its conservative critics in the 70s, 80s and 90s but what is important now is he is embraced by both sides and despite the extremism on the right, i think we should celebrate the fact that there are so many conservatives who are applauding his fight against apartheid now. i wonder if one of the problems is that when we do these funerals and obituaries, we canonnize these people instead of acknowledging there were shameful moments in the anc s past and mandela said nice things about fidel castro and freedom in cuba that are false and that maybe because we bend over so backwards to show respect that that creates an opening. if there s anyone in modern ....

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CNN The Lead With Jake Tapper December 6, 2013 21:36:00

History you disagree. i do, too. i m just saying. we all agree if there s anyone in modern or world history that deserves sort of to be put on a pedestal, it s nelson mandela. of course. a few historical figures, right. but i think on both sides there is this danger of sort of writing out of history some of the controversial parts of his life that made him a great leader, made him able to end apartheid in that country. he took some very strong idealogical stands that are controversial to this day. conservatives were on the wrong side of history on a lot of these issues in the 70s and 80s. ted cruz doesn t have to worry about that. he s in his early 40s. he doesn t have to pay attention to that. what s extraordinary about mandela is his life s evolution. he started off as a militant, then was a political prisoner, then he became the national leader that shepherded his country through reconciliation. and he only served one term. ....

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