these trolls versus non-trolls is really that it's not like nelson mandela wasn't controversial. he did get a lot of conservatives attacking him over the years and the anti-apartheid movement had its conservative critics in the '70s, '80s and '90s but what is important now is he is embraced by both sides and despite the extremism on the right, i think we should celebrate the fact that there are so many conservatives who are applauding his fight against apartheid now. >> i wonder if one of the problems is that when we do these funerals and obituaries, we canonnize these people instead of acknowledging there were shameful moments in the anc's past and mandela said nice things about fidel castro and freedom in cuba that are false and that maybe because we bend over so backwards to show respect that that creates an opening. >> if there's anyone in modern