It was a spin on the ground like the top, not a cartwheel, like a flip of the airplane in midair. >> that's correct. loss of lateral control. >> that clears that up. >> you have no control over the part of that airplane slide. >> again, i'm not the aviation expert but the part that would control that would be the rudder, right? >> yes, absolutely. >> and once that is gone, you have no control. >> that's correct, don. >> okay, okay. let's go. stand by. i want to go to diana magnay who is in seoul for reaction there. dian diana, what do you have for us? >> don, very little right now. it's 5:20 i...